Lucifer 313 + 314 "Til Death Do Us Part" & "My Brother's Keeper"

“Til Death Do Us Part” and “My Brother’s Keeper” provide some delightful storytelling and some missed opportunities around the world’s first murderer and his relationship with the devil. 

In the first of these paired episodes, Emily notes the similarities to an X-Files episode where Scully and Mulder pretend to be married in suburbia, and both sisters share an appreciation for Tom Ellis in a stars-and-stripes speedo. The sisters agree that some difficult but essential conversations could have avoided murder in the case-of-the-week, and wonder if Fox had a quota for T&A. 

In “My Brother’s Keeper” Tracie reflects on the simple-yet-effective forensic analysis Ella provides at the crime scene, which Emily points out is the To Kill A Mockingbird defense (i.e. the killer was left-handed and the suspect is not). The sisters have each other laughing hard about the uncomfortable attraction between Maze and Charlotte (though not so uncomfortable that Tracie doesn’t invite Lesley-Ann Brandt to recreate the scene), and the likelihood that Hell smells, at least a little, like Axe body spray. 

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:04

Tracy and Emily are smart, lovable sisters who really love Lucifer for the plot yeah, the plot which they overthink.

Speaker 2: 0:19

Hi there, I am here with my sister, tracy Guy Decker and yes, she does use a hyphen and together we are doing Lightbringers, where we illuminate the deeper meaning of the crime-solving devil TV show and, yes, we are overthinking it. So much, so much. So today we're going to overthink season three, episodes 13 and 14. So 313 and 314, till death do us part and my brother's keeper yes, I'm so excited for these two. Mainly the first one, yeah, yeah, yeah, the second one actually it's another one I don't revisit often but I enjoyed.

Speaker 2: 1:08

I had some good moments, yeah, yeah, but till death do us part is one of my favorites of the whole series. I mean, like there's just something so wonderfully endearing about Lucifer as half of the game, with a couple with Pierce, mark and Luke as they are, which, since I overthought names in our last episode, like those stuck out to me that these, those two evangelists names like overling on the devil and the first murderer, I don't know. There's something like really like resonant and like irreverent, but in a in a reverent sort of way, I don't know. Yeah, well, I wanted to get to.

Speaker 2: 1:57

Till death do us part has my favorite fight scene, I think, of the entire series and that's the. You can't just go in there and say, hello, drug dealers. I would never. Then he says it in Korean. Actually, I paid quite close attention to that scene as well, because, though we see Lucifer's prowess as a fighter many times, we never see it choreographed so beautifully. Yes, and I mean it was a dance. It was gorgeous, that gorgeous, that sequence of choreography, you know, with everything from like them like hitting one another, to like he knocks one dude in the face with as he like.

Speaker 1: 2:44

I don't know how I get the cartridge, yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:48

And then he's like fire arm, Like yeah, that's what's.

Speaker 2: 2:51

What's cool is like he doesn't he doesn't fire firearms, he uses them as projectiles, as fire, and then when he like breaks into the one with the one room where they're they're actually doing karaoke and like, and the, the K-pop Lucifer song, gets overlaid by the, whatever it is they're singing, which I think is like life is a highway. I was like trying to figure out what song that was. Yeah, yeah, and actually even the choreography of the, the, the head dude like who are you trying to help, and then the sort of pan to that's the smiling face, exactly the same. Yeah, like the cinematography was just really enjoyable. It's well done, very, very well done.

Speaker 1: 3:38

Really enjoyable.

Speaker 2: 3:39

Yeah, do we want to talk about like the meat of the story of Tildatio's part Do?

Speaker 1: 3:45

you.

Speaker 2: 3:46

Well, I mean, there's, there's aspects to it that I think are interesting. Well, okay, what it brought up for me is a late season X Files episode called Arcadia, which is basically the same story where Mulder and Scully go undercover as a married couple in this like overly ridiculous HOA suburbia and it turns out it's a monster, because of course it is, but they do almost the exact same thing. Where they're, they're pretending and like Mulder's taking it more seriously than Scully is and is making jokes and stuff like that. And then they know that the, the monster, is all about maintaining the HOA standards and so he goes out like he puts a flamingo on his on his front yard but then also does, like it keeps escalating, to try to get the thing to to attack. So I was thinking like I'm sure the writer's room had seen that, and the thing is it's the conversation about suburbia and what that does to people is, I think, not an uncommon one. What I like, I appreciate that. You know, of course, that, that being one thing that we have it be a same sex couple here, and the discomfort is not so much about the sexuality but just about Pierce being like I am closed off, I do not want to get to know anybody. Yeah, trying, and that I like, I really appreciate that. And then the final scene where they, they, like is actually moving the nachos, so the soulful and the salsa won't drip in the macaroni. That exchange, which became very public, of their like, that was so also like, just well written and well executed, like, even like Tom Welling's wooden delivery kind of worked. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this I that whole thing I really liked.

Speaker 2: 5:50

In fact I wish that the I kind of wish that the show runners had pushed it a little harder so that the love triangle develop. That develops would have been a true triangle with all three lines, because I think it's believable. I mean they make the point that each of them understands the others loneliness in a way that no one else can. Yeah, I don't think the second line also needs to fit and we've seen that Lucifer is a very sexual being, like it just makes sense to me that there would be sexual tension between those two men. I wish the writers had pushed it further and he made it a true, possible like love interest. I mean not partner, but I don't know.

Speaker 2: 6:33

I feel like there was, there was, it was right, it was a missed opportunity. Yeah, it feels like it was ripe for some really interesting dynamics to be explored, especially in a triangle. That's a true triangle, because love triangles that we get in media are actually only these. They're not triangles, because that final line is almost never. It's always, like you know, the one, the one woman has two possible partners or the one man has two possible partners, but not that all like all of the possible pairings are options Like I think that would be really fascinating to see the dynamics and the jealousy and the. I just think that could be really really interesting. Well, even just seeing Chloe's reaction when Lucifer kisses him yeah, she's like she sees it on the camera and she's like I got it and she has to see it in real life.

Speaker 2: 7:22

Yeah, and her reaction to like, like, put the. She puts the photo face down.

Speaker 2: 7:29

Yes, she's not looking at them, hugging, which, and I'm like, when did they have that photo shoot? I mean, I know that this is Lucifer, does not cut any corners. I mean this is like what are you doing? Paper plates? That's savage. Is there China in the cupboard? Yeah, yeah, it was. It was just so delightful, it was just really delightful, yeah Well, and then you know, just also to your point, like with Pierce, I mean, as Kane, he's thousands of years old.

Speaker 2: 8:02

I have no doubt that he has like all right, I'll explore other types of sexuality now Right I cannot believe that he's 5,000 years old and is like disgusted by yeah Well, I mean, and he says in the second episode that we watched. He says to a menadio like not only do I have to watch everything I love turned to dust, but it's boring. Yeah, sex is boring.

Speaker 1: 8:27

I've been everywhere, I've tasted everything I've been everywhere.

Speaker 2: 8:29

I've tasted everything, I've done everything and so like yeah, I truly believe. Yeah, even if I think that the show runners could have had some really, really interesting, interesting stuff. Although I think they were still on Fox, they were season three, so I guess it makes sense that they didn't, because Fox maybe wouldn't have, fox Probably would not. They would have put the cabas on that. Yeah, so that's interesting. Yeah, but the this is the most likable I find, pierce in both of these episodes In the second episode I found him less so.

Speaker 2: 9:04

Honestly, like in till death, do us part. I was like, especially when they ends is it? When they end that conversation, when they say you don't want to? You know, you don't want to be lonely, neither of them wants to be lonely anymore. I felt a real swell of pathos for him. And then in my brother's keeper, the scene in Lux when he provokes a menadial to fight him. He just he's, he doesn't give a shit about anybody else, which I guess is in line with the character as someone who's they're all going to die anyway. What difference does it make if I shorten their lives? Yeah, and also that's. That's hard for me as a viewer to be like. You're my guy, you know, like I well, and I feel that the writers definitely wanted us to be somewhat ambivalent about him. Like they don't.

Speaker 2: 9:54

They don't want us to be like we love this guy.

Speaker 1: 9:57

Yeah, okay.

Speaker 2: 9:58

Cause we know how it's going to have to end. Yeah, but I will say in in that second episode when he says to a menadial like it's hard to watch because you know a menadial is a protagonist and we have come to love him, but you know, like there are two people in here who've tried to kill their brother.

Speaker 1: 10:20

And.

Speaker 2: 10:21

I, and I did it myself. At least I did it myself, at least Agreed, agreed. And it's such a different thing, from the first humans to these angels. We see, even Lucifer's death wasn't going to be a death, mm, hmm, I mean, it wasn't going to be an end of his existence, yeah, anyway yeah. And even though that was also true of Abel, but that Kane didn't know when he killed him.

Speaker 2: 10:45

Knowing that when he killed him. Yes, yeah, it's not that I liked it or I found it sympathetic, it was just it was. There was something you know how, when you read something where, like, a bad guy gets what they've been looking for and it's satisfying in a way, there's something very satisfying about that when he's like oh yeah, the look on your face, that's what I've been going for, that feels good and I was just like. I felt that it was really well done and like and I think part of what I'm saying, this is one of most like Tom Welling's portrayal Delivery. Yeah, yeah, I hear that I do, and I'll say that the fight scene choreographed between Amenadiel and Pierce is also quite good. Yeah, that was intense. It was interesting too as a very newbie karateka, like, at one point, kane says you have Kido's good, how's your, you know? He names another style and he says it's better than yours, you know and like. So, seeing that they weren't just like kind of swing in, it was actually some martial arts style behind it, with intention from the show runners, which I appreciated.

Speaker 2: 11:55

Yeah, yeah, another little joke in there, because Tom Welling played Clark Kent in Smallville. Oh, really, I didn't know that. Yes, so that's why, like, everyone has a kryptonite, yeah, interesting, interesting, cool. If you go back and look at pictures of him as, because he played him, like you see him become. I never watched it, but you know, was aware of it and apparently he, like he don't seem a Superman until the very last moment of, like, season seven, which is the last season, something like that. But yeah, if you go back and look at pictures of Tom Welling from then, and not that he's not still quite handsome, but it's just like holy cow, how is that allowed? That's funny. Yes, well, speaking of Welling and like, so I'm thinking, and the chemistry between Welling and Ellis, the two Toms, and the remaining lack of chemistry, like, even like when Chloe says, just so, I'm not crazy, we had a moment, didn't we? And he says, yeah, it was a moment. And I'm thinking I got to go back and look at that because I don't remember a moment.

Speaker 2: 13:04

There was no moment, there was no, there was zero chemistry between these two people. They're just like hi, I'm me, oh, I'm the other. They're just both so wooden.

Speaker 2: 13:16

And there's just nothing. Well, but like I think it's because Lauren German is at her best when she is exasperated. And so, like I remember when I first started watching the show and I was telling Mom about it, I was just like, oh my God, mom, you have to see this. And I was telling her, like Lucifer, he can charm anyone, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But for some reason he had like can't charm this police detective and she just had so over it and like that was what I loved. Was her like oh, this again. And so like a lot of their like the chemistry with Ellis is that like just when they're talking about the K-pop and she's like just rolling her eyes at him and going like you can't do that at all, of that there's at least something. There's a whole lot of nothing. There's no feeling, I feel it, and that's actually the K-pop that reminds me. Sorry, maybe I should save it for Fluff, but the moment when they're in Pierce's office and they say, and Ellis is like it's not ecstasy, actually, it's a kind of Adderall. He goes down smooth.

Speaker 2: 14:35

Did your partner just admit to snorting evidence? The only thing I will admit to is being very focused on this case. I laughed out loud. I laughed out loud at the very focused on this case. I just thought that was anyway. Sorry, that was like that was. That was excellent.

Speaker 2: 14:51

That was a parentheses, yeah, in the conversation about.

Speaker 2: 14:55

But I think you're exactly right, because the moments when I was they'll come later but the moments in like season four, when I will be the least satisfied with German's performance, it's because she's trying to be like Ernest and heartfelt, and I don't think she, she just I don't know if they don't write it for her well or if she doesn't feel it, but it just doesn't mesh and so I think that's, I think you're exactly right.

Speaker 2: 15:24

Like German gets and delivers, oh, this again beautifully in, like a really charming and like believable way, yeah, yeah, but other emotions, somehow I don't believe in her. I expect it's a little bit of the actor and a little bit of the writer not being able to write for their actor. Yeah, you know, like knowing what her strengths are and stuff. But I think that's an interesting point about where what German does do well, so I do the crime. I do want to talk about the crime a little bit in well, actually in both episodes, but in until death do us part when we find out that it's the wife of that couple, where she's sure he's going to leave her because he's lost all this weight and he's out all the time, all the time and, yeah, it's just like you love each other so much but you don't talk to each other.

Speaker 2: 16:17

Well, I feel like that actually is the punchline of like at least 50% of the episodes. Like, if there is a couple involved. Like that will be the like how many of these crimes wouldn't have happened if the two people just spoke to one another?

Speaker 1: 16:31

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 16:32

Yeah, it just would be like I'm a what's happening to us? I'm afraid you're. Are you cheating? I'm afraid you're cheating, yeah. Yeah, I know that's a hard thing to say, but like, why is it easier to kill your potential wife, yes, than have that conversation, okay? So, to be fair, the death sounded like it was an accident and I believe her, like she, she was not a cold blooded kill. She put her in the blood chamber Like I don't. I can't imagine I panicked and put her in the woodchip. Really, I can imagine I panicked and ran. Yeah, instead of calling 911.

Speaker 2: 17:03

Yeah, agreed, agreed, yeah, I don't, I don't get that. And then the husband's plan didn't seem to be much of anything, because wouldn't he be like, all right, let's go to Mexico Instead of let's go to the party, where I think there are cops trying to find the killer, who I know is you? Yeah, which I mean, I guess, like until he saw the signing the book, he might not have realized. But at that point, when he saw it, like, oh, that's what's going on. So he grabbed the, the shimmers, stay back.

Speaker 2: 17:42

Yeah, yeah, the not talking to each other, that aspect, I feel like now some of that is just writing, because, like that's how you, you create conflict, cause if people talk to each other, there would be no conflict in a lot of cases. But some of that is also like I mean, everything's about Lucifer and you know the Lucifer and Pierce are not talking. So I don't know, I just like that. That one really got me, because it was just like you've been together your entire lives, like they're what they're in their 40s and they've been together since they were what 16 or 17.

Speaker 2: 18:18

Yeah, like you can't talk to each other. I mean, tell me, you haven't looked for each other's hemorrhoids. I mean seriously, like you know each other really well, yeah, and I know like insecurities weird, and depression is weird and mental illness is weird and all of that, and we'll do things to whisper in your ear and then like the fact that he's like you're long, too long, yeah, and can we talk about when, in the garage in the middle of the night, when Pierce comes out and it's like it's 4 am and he unplugged the grinder, it was a trumpet in the vice. Like I mean what, what the hell? Like I don't know, it's just whatever is laying around, maybe, I guess, a trumpet. Do you have a trumpet lying around? Because I don't, no, I mean loose for his musical.

Speaker 2: 19:18

Maybe he never managed to master this trumpet and he was pissed about it. I don't know. It just was like. I mean I guess you're right, he was just supposed to be like just making a lot of noise and whatever, but I don't know. So I'm overthinking it and I have zero. There's nothing, nowhere to go with that and I'm unsatisfied with no deeper meaning.

Speaker 1: 19:42

I will say A trumpet and a vice.

Speaker 2: 19:47

It's very weird to me that he had scantily clad women play hanging out with him, hanging out with him, and like that's what Lucifer would do. But is that what Luke would do? Yeah, that's a good question. Like wouldn't he have like Scantily?

Speaker 1: 20:05

clad twins.

Speaker 2: 20:08

Yeah, yes, that's a very good point. That's a very good point. And, like you know, I guess, if he's thinking, like, of the things that are going to piss off, I mean, if he's doing it strategically, that, considering the way the two like adolescent boys, like slept, I guess, although I I think that actually a bunch of scantily clad boys would have upset the neighbors before yeah, if there's the yeah, yeah, if we're going to talk about strategy, true, very true, and like, granted, it was on Fox, they're like we need a certain number of tits and asses per episode. You're below your quota, so we'll be ahead for the next three episodes. Yeah, although I like this, I should say this for fluff. But he fills out an American flag speedo quite nicely. And since we're recording this right before the fourth of July, right, happy independence today, or whatever, or whatever.

Speaker 2: 21:17

Well, let's talk about my brother's keeper Okay, he's the one who's been in jail. And J Lopez and El Stupido, yeah, yeah, being hit with his sister's shoe. He's really not that bright. Jay, jay, it's like clearly elegant. The brains in the family, yeah, cause the lies are stupid. Signing in under the name Michael Knight, I mean, all you got to do is write John Smith, no one will find you, yeah.

Speaker 2: 21:46

And even his attempt to protect her when, when he's being held at gunpoint by the, the actual killer, right, I'm saying like get away, crazy lady who I don't know. That's going to work, yeah, yeah, you know, what was really interesting in that was seeing Ella's like forensic work, when she was like but this is the angle, and then she's like, when she actually held up her left hand right next to the burn mark on the lampshade, like it was kind of kitchen table logic, but it really like it really worked, like having Amy Garcia sort of point with her left hand right next to that burn mark on the lampshade, I was like, oh yeah, she's right, it wouldn't have, you know, like that worked for the viewer to believe that Ella was right and there was a third. So there was like this back and forth where Chloe thinks that the but, but because of that, for me at least, I never thought that Jay was in fact the trigger man because of Ella's demonstration. So I thought that was kind of interesting to have that fairly simplistic kind of forensic moments that like exceedingly convincing. For me it's the Tequila Mockingbird. Like You're right, it's exactly the Tequila Mockingbird Yep, yep, can't do it because of left handed.

Speaker 2: 23:03

You know, I always find it interesting when I see that, because I can remember you telling me that law schools actually used to kill a Mockingbird for examples of how to present a case. It was you who told me that wasn't. It Was it? I feel like it was.

Speaker 2: 23:18

I mean, I know it won the Golden, the Silver Gable Award the first year we had one at the we. The first year the American Bar Association gave us the Gable Award.

Speaker 2: 23:26

Yeah, and I remember thinking like that's well, that's really interesting and I think it's clear that that Harper Lee has knowledge of the law and court system and all of that. But also how very, very convenient it is. The Tom Robinson was left handed and his right was was mangled Right and so and the same thing with this, just like very convenient that the Trigger man was left handed, considering it's only 10% of the population. Is it that little? It's, it's very. It's relatively small, although it is also one of those it's hard to tell because of how, for how long, lefties were discouraged from using their left hands. So More than one person who's very close in my life is left handed. So in my like, in my mind, it's not the proportion is higher but yeah, maybe I know no lefties.

Speaker 2: 24:23

Oh, I work very closely with at least two. Okay, yeah, I mean I'm sure I know some, but yeah, none close by. So anyway, it would be like it would be interesting if it were really 50-50, you know, 50% of the population was left handed and 50-50.

Speaker 2: 24:40

Yeah, it's probably not that high. Yeah, yeah, interesting. So I thought that was interesting, that sort of little demonstration, and how convincing that was for me as a viewer, which is, you know, I mean, I've been trained well how to watch TV shows, so yeah, yeah, well, and especially thinking about what we've talked about with Copaganda Yep, that even Ella doesn't trust the police and knowing how that's going to go, with her brother.

Speaker 2: 25:09

It's never said and I don't know if it's intended, but the fact that's Ella and her brother are not white, if that has any aspect to it. I mean, yeah, they never mentioned that, but they do say. I mean Lucifer says to Chloe at the end, a different office, a different cop had been working the case, He'd be in jail or something like that. I don't remember the exact words, but he does indicate that it very easily would have gone a different way. Yeah, lucifer says that out loud. Yeah, well, and honestly, is it true that Maze is not gonna be in trouble Like she's bounty hunting? Okay, she did was protecting someone. Okay, she murdered somebody.

Speaker 2: 25:58

I feel like there'd be some paperwork. Yeah, yeah, at least. Yeah, well, and it's not up to Chloe, it's not like she's the principal and can just be like. I know you meant well, sweetie. Yeah, exactly, yeah, that was a weird choice too, like I mean, I know we're working on humanizing Maze throughout this season, but it's a weird episode for humanizing Maze, right, like she gets Ella's name wrong again and again and again. It's on purpose.

Speaker 2: 26:33

At this point I don't know, and she is, I mean like when we first see her that episode she's playing with Trixie. I mean not playing, she's training with Trixie and telling her like, cut their their killing sentence, because if they can't run, they can't betray you, right? And so it's clear that she's going through some stuff, yeah, and then like so again, this is me overthinking it, but they do leave like kind of trail of breadcrumbs for you where she is very much affected by the fact that Ella is saying family is there for each other.

Speaker 1: 27:10

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 27:11

And she's realizing she doesn't have family, family like that. But that you know that final, you know she meant that knife throw. You're my sister now. Yeah, you know Lucifer, how he reacts to Jay at the end is interesting as well, in that he's protecting Ella in a way that he would not have. It would not have occurred to him, I think, two seasons ago. I think that's true. The showrunners have us see him be emotionally affected by their embrace at the like, at the end of the ordeal, when the bad guy is dead, lucifer sees Ella and Jay hugging and we see I mean this is another one of Ellis' beautiful, completely nonverbal performances where we see Lucifer really kind of it's both confusion and envy and you know pathos. You might just hear my children in the background.

Speaker 1: 28:13

I mean, we are real Thousands of them.

Speaker 2: 28:16

Thousands. I have so many children. I tell them that and they say there's only two of us. I'm like there's so many of you. So yeah, there's that. And then that leads directly into his kind of confrontation with the Menadil at the end, which again is about the Menadil fundamentally misunderstanding Lucifer while at the same time trying to protect him. Because he says, like you're gonna bring father's wrath down on you, like, do you not get that? That's the point, right right right, true. How am I getting the thing that I'm?

Speaker 1: 28:46

getting. How am I?

Speaker 2: 28:47

getting that. That's what I want, but true, and I think that final moment like you're just in my way, well then I'm gonna be in your way is actually like I love you. Yeah, that's very loving, even though that's not how Not at all what Lucifer wants to hear. Yeah, woodside's delivery makes that very clear. I think, yes, yeah, and I have to say also like, well, I've always admired Woodside as an actor, but the look on his face that Pierce says that's what it feels good Like. Yeah, wow, mm-hmm. Yeah, wow, that's good. Yeah, another nonverbal performance.

Speaker 2: 29:29

Excellent nonverbal performance yeah, One other thing it was really kind of cruel of Lucifer, but it also kind of fits that he recommended to Charlotte that she go to Linda without bringing Linda heads up first. Without telling Linda it was gonna happen.

Speaker 1: 29:45

Oh my. God Well it's all stupid.

Speaker 2: 29:48

I have to say, though, like there's an intake process Before she's sitting on the couch, yeah, and like did I mean? Ok, maybe Linda didn't know the guy, her name, her name I was like, ok, charlotte Richards, but that seems unlikely. It's unlikely, yeah, seems unlikely, yeah, but the first time I watched it I was just like how did you not tell her? And is there no other therapist in LA? That was my first thought. When you see Charlotte, you see Trisha Helfer sitting on the couch and you realize it's her couch because it's pretty. I mean, the stuff on the wall is like yeah, I was like this is Linda's couch. She's the only therapist in the whole city. I mean, it's a city of like a bazillion people, yeah, and everybody's in the therapy in LA, everyone's in therapy in LA. I mean I think that there would be a really hypercapita number of therapists there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It would have been more believable if, when she says you have to leave, if she had said I thought I could do this, but I can't, yeah, or something to indicate that like she's keeping my not, like that this is new information. Like she's been completely blindsided by it. Yeah, bamboozled by it. That is that. Yeah, that.

Speaker 2: 31:08

I agree that was a little bit of a stretch. Yeah, and I appreciated the arc with Linda that they were getting to, so I'm glad they did it, but I think it could have been done, handled with greater nuance than you know. He sent her and didn't sent Charlotte and didn't tell Linda. Well, I mean and that does fit with Lucifer that he would do that. I guess, yeah, I guess it does. But but it doesn't fit that Linda, that Dr Linda Martin would not recognize Charlotte Richard's name, that does not fit in my mind.

Speaker 2: 31:41

But I think it was an interesting arc to have Because, like, as like, linda is us right, like she does, the emotions and the scared and the like what about Hitler? And like all the things that like and so, that kind of like, like just dear the hell, like traumatization from what had happened to her, and even like pricking, pricking. Charlotte was the end, to be honest. Now, granted, charlotte is I mean, she's supposed to be in her forties and has never been to therapy, but that would be enough for me to be like I'm finding a different therapist for me. I mean, the fact that she shows up in her office is already like Stalker. Ok, I came here to apologize. Is your phone broken?

Speaker 2: 32:27

Yeah, but you know, OK, charlotte's never been to therapy before and she's she's really worried that she's so broken that no one will talk to her. So like, ok, but still, it's kind of a red flag that your potential therapist does With a thumbtack off of your own desk yeah, yeah, all right. Well, look at that, we've already like overthunked quite a bit, quite a bit. Yes, I am looking at the time and thinking maybe we should transition into fluff, unless you have another juicy bit, um, maize and the, the potential threesome, oh God, that was weird. Like Dan's like, oh no, I mean, unless you're into it, which is pretty much every man I've ever met. Yeah, like that seems. Yeah, oh, it's, it's another one that's so uncomfortable.

Speaker 2: 33:26

Um, well, that whole, that whole little mini arc of May's being attracted to Charlotte was pretty uncomfortable, like when she was I mean, actually all of it from the dude going it's ex body spray To like the like, you know, leslie and Brant's like face, like like in your shell for sternum. That was pretty uncomfortable, I have to say. So I was wondering this might belong in fluff, but so seeing Tom Ellis and Tom Welling next to each other they're both six foot four and then seeing how short Dan looks next to them and he's like six foot. He's not a small guy and so I'm like would I look like a hobbit next to him? Yes, yes, you would. That's why Amy Garcia is never next to all of them at once. But then if you noticed, her shoes always like the platforms this thick. I think Rachel, I think Rachel Harris is not too tall. She's five foot one. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 34:30

So we don't always wearing high spike heels too Well and we never see her standing next to anyone. She's always seated, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 34:38

And I was thinking that with Trisha.

Speaker 2: 34:39

She's six feet tall, I think. Yeah, well, and I was thinking that with Trisha Helfer, and then she also wears heels, yeah, but Trisha Helfer next to Leslie and Brant and like in the sternum thing. So it was just like, I don't know, maybe that's a convenient height to be, I don't know. I mean, what's really interesting is that Charlotte wasn't like not into it, like she wasn't into it, but she also was like not not into it.

Speaker 1: 35:04

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 35:05

She was a little disappointed when, when Maze was like I never mind. Yeah, and she was like what, when are you going? I thought I was flexible. Well, that's more emotional than than the sexual part of it.

Speaker 2: 35:17

I agree I just shared my deepest, darkest secret with you. Yeah, but she did just share her deepest, darkest secret with this like strange woman. Who's like Strange woman Coming onto her real hard and like sniffing her. It's not the person I'm gonna share my deepest, darkest secret with. I mean, leslie Ann, if you want to come sniff me, I'm willing to try. I don't know, I don't want to prove that theory wrong. Oh no, I I'm thinking like it's kind of like how you can spill your heart out to the person sitting next to you on the airplane who you never will see again.

Speaker 1: 35:55

Yeah, Because you'll never see them again.

Speaker 2: 35:57

You'll never see them again, yeah, yeah, but the way it was written and the way that they played it was like there's a connection that I don't want to lose now, yeah, which what you're talking about. Actually, there's a connection that I want to lose because I just told you my darkest secret. Yeah, I don't want to ever see you again. That's a good point. So you know, anyway, I don't know that that whole thing was just weird and interesting, like not bad weird, just sometimes there are story arcs that I'm like oh yeah, I might have written it kind of like that. I would never have written that, like that would have occurred to me. It wouldn't have occurred to me to write that yeah, yeah, that she smells like hell and that nostalgia is somehow arousing until she realized, until Mays realizes what it is, and then she won't come smelling on you, yeah.

Speaker 1: 36:44

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 36:45

That would. It would never have occurred to me to write that. Okay, I also have to say don't you think hell would smell a little bit like Axe Body Spray, just a little. We cannot top that. I think that's the end of the show. Do I win the internet this week? You, you win, you win. All right, folks, there's no place left to go at this point, so I'm going to call it we don't know if that's not good enough. We have overthink it enough. We will see you next week. Next week.

Speaker 1: 37:26

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