Lucifer 403 + 404 "O, Ye of Little Faith, Father" & "All About Eve"

“O, Ye of Little Faith, Father” and “All About Eve” bring some of Emily’s favorite moments of the whole series. The first provides deeply satisfying dramatic irony through Father Kinley’s (Graham McTavish) web of deception, the whole of which, only we the viewers see. The second gives delicious comfort to a devastated Lucifer (Tom Ellis) who fears he is unlovable but is embraced–in his devil face–by the biblical Eve (Inbar Lavi). 

There are also significant opportunities for overthinking, from Eve’s name (with a correction and apology from Tracie at the beginning of the episode) to just how much the murderer knew of the whole plot to reveal Lucifer’s face, to how and when Linda acquired her house. As always the storytelling, including visual storytelling, gets the sisters’ attention. 

In what might be called a theme, Tracie spends a little time complaining that Lauren German’s delivery as Chloe somehow doesn’t sell the dialogue, and both sisters get a chuckle over Maze’s condolences over the sex of the baby. 

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Tracy here. This is embarrassing. In this episode that you're about to listen to, I go off on a tangent about Eve's name and I got it wrong. Eve's name, the biblical Eve, was Chava, and it says in the text she's called that because she's the mother of all living, which would be Chaya, and the two words must be related. But it wasn't Chaya, so my apologies for leading you astray. However, my story about the misplaced vowel on the pronoun remains. Is it why she's called Eve in English? Maybe it's my headcanon as to why. Anyway, I hope you'll forgive me. Enjoy this episode.

Speaker 2: 0:59

Tracy and Emily are smart, lovable sisters who really love Lucifer for the plot yeah, the plot which they overthink.

Speaker 1: 1:15

Hey there, I am here with my sister Tracy Guy Decker yes, hyphen. And I'm here with my sister Emily Guy Birken no, hyphen. And together we are doing lightbringers, where we illuminate the deeper meaning of the crime-solving devil TV show. And you bet your sweet Bippy, we are overthinking it. Yeah, yeah, that's what we do, so much overthinking. So today we're talking about two of the episodes I have seen more than any other 403 and 404.

Speaker 1: 1:48

Oh you have little faith, father, and all about Eve. I'm so excited to talk about these episodes, so I know you've got kind of a major complaint. Do we want to start with that or we want to start with, like the good stuff? No, let's start with Father Kinley and all of the webs of deception in oh you have Little Faith, father, because there's the dramatic irony which I talk about all the time is something I particularly enjoy. Dramatic irony in that episode is pretty intense with what we know that no one in the whole cast knows all of what we know which is kind of cool with the way that Father Kinley is trying to deceive Lucifer, while Chloe is also keeping things from him.

Speaker 2: 2:51

So that's sort of an interesting let's start Well.

Speaker 1: 2:54

and then what Father Kinley is also keeping from his superior, the monk senior, I'm not sure.

Speaker 2: 3:03

Yeah, I don't know what his rank is?

Speaker 1: 3:06

I don't really know.

Speaker 1: 3:06

Grandmaster this is Pokemon in the Catholic Church, but yeah, so, and then what he's keeping from the man he activated as the murderer, oscar Rivas, who I have to. I feel so bad for that guy, even though it was awful that he was willing to kill innocent people without proof that they were not innocent, and the thing is like what they were accused of was just backsliding on drug use and stealing. Yeah, yeah, I don't, and it's unclear to me whether or not he actually believes that. Yeah, that's what he tells Lucifer, because that was. It's unclear to me whether or not Rivas actually believes that they were guilty of those things. That was part of the deception was to, yeah, was that they were punished for backsliding, that that had to be part of the deceptive.

Speaker 2: 4:09

Well, they were irredeemable, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1: 4:15

But whether or not, that Oscar actually believed that. Believe that I mean he may have thought of it the same way, it's unclear to me whether or not he he was in on the whole planet. I mean he may have genuinely believed, as Father Kimley did, that these were unfortunate necessary sacrifices to the good. Yeah, yeah, I did notice on this rewatch that now, unfortunately, we're getting to the the stretch of episodes where the first the first person they interviewed was the dead.

Speaker 2: 4:48

One interview turned out to be the killer.

Speaker 1: 4:51

Yeah, so 40 minute show. I'll give it to them. It's not a big deal, but I noticed on this rewatch that when they are interviewing Oscar, he says to Lucifer I want to make sure that you punish the person who did this.

Speaker 1: 5:09

He said he says promise me, promise me, yes. And he said he looks Lucifer in the eye when he says it. Yeah, so, and knowing that it's himself, I'm like, wow, yeah, yikes. So so he knew Kimley's plan, that this was an attempt to get Lucifer to show his face. I, maybe, because I'm a Pollyanna I was thinking like he was convinced to do it because he thought these people were irredeemable.

Speaker 1: 5:42

But now that you say that, I'm like, no, it would make more sense that if he was just in on it, which is so despicable I mean, that's the way I read it Because because, uh, okay, kimley says about him to he was a good man, he was a good man, he was a true believer and he did what was necessary. Yeah, so I? Because, because, frankly, a true believer would not accept that someone was trash, that someone, that a human being was irredeemable. Mm, hmm, I mean that just doesn't align with who he was supposed to have been. So you know, serving in a parish in El Salvador, that that that served folks who who were, you know, off the path that the church should be. It just doesn't align. It makes more sense psychologically to me.

Speaker 1: 6:39

Yeah, yeah, that he was in on it, had drunk the Kool-Aid and thought that this was for the greater good. Yeah, no, that that makes total sense. This is, this is me being too much of an optimist. So that, and his, uh, his, method of suicide. Oh, my God, I I have not watched this as many times as you have and but that I was like, oh, it's coming, it's coming. Yeah, I skip that, I skip that. It's so awful. Yeah, well, because it. Oh, how do you know how they, they did it, the, the effects I don't want to know. Like, oh, yeah, yeah, so, um, whoo, but that's like the layers upon layers that uh, kinley has going. And when Chloe realizes, like this is, you're not actually being sanctioned part of the Vatican this is sanctioned.

Speaker 1: 7:48

Thank you, that's the word I was looking for. This is your own personal vendetta. It kind of makes a lot of things make sense about the character and his motivations and why he's willing to be so Machiavelli in getting whatever.

Speaker 1: 8:03

Yeah, that that actor does an awesome job to like really, really believe, like the just the cold calculating, but also that he's a good act like the father. Kinley is a good actor to be in Lucifer's presence. Yeah, even like small things, like Lucifer touches him on the shoulder and as he walks away he's, like you know, like brushes his, yeah, yeah. And there are like moments too that like Lucifer puts out a cigarette in like a baptismal font or something, and there's, it's very subtle, but they're like I did read the disgust in Kinley from the actor's delivery of just being in the presence of that happening. It was, he's a good actor. The other, yeah, the other moment that was just phenomenal was in the jail cell. When his superior comes to take his confession and breaks it to him that he's been excommunicated, the way that like his face freezes and then like it falls in a way where it's like I cannot show how much this is bothering me. It's just I Way to go, grandma, you're awesome, you're a really good actor, yeah. And then, and that's the moment, we get the actual prophecy, which has been referenced before, but we haven't heard it yet. So the prophecy is that when the devil walks the earth and meets his first love, evil shall be released. So I think that's really interesting that we get that too, because we will. We will see that happen, but specifically because of Kim Lee's efforts to avoid it, which is so satisfying as a viewer.

Speaker 1: 9:45

It's the Macbeth satisfaction of things. It is totally the Macbeth satisfaction of things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you'd just left well enough alone. That was what happened, mackinley. Yeah, exactly, yeah, exactly, although that's in the future, but that's in the future. I will say I wish they'd spent a little more time on the prophecy, because the wording just doesn't sound like. So you've got the like. You know we were talking about the vile last week and how it's, you know it's the sacred vile.

Speaker 1: 10:17

Well, it's interesting that it was like about the size of a plum, yeah, and then Lucifer caused it a plum vile for the rest of the show. But like, yeah, yeah, who uses a plum as a huge measure? I mean, did Kim Lee used to do oncology? I did, that's right. We're like pregnancy stuff, because that's not the place where you measure things by fruit. But I mean, to be fair, in the Hebrew scriptures, like there's a lot of halacha, that's like how much? How much matzah do you have to eat on Passover? About the size of an olive, like there is actually a like a unit of measure Well, fruits and vegetables, not plums, specifically Not plums.

Speaker 1: 11:03

But it stood out to me this time yeah, the size of a plum, especially because I just recently had a bunch of plums and they were different sizes and bigger than that. Vile, frankly, yeah, yeah. So the thing with the prophecy is it felt like the language should have been more, and now some of this is my older kid really had. He really likes fantasy novels that feature a prophecy, like that is, that is his genre and so and he is very much into the rhyming prophecies, which I'm not I'm not going for that. I don't want it to be rhyming necessarily.

Speaker 1: 11:52

Well, it's just because I wouldn't have been written in English. Yes, rhymes don't translate, no, but it just doesn't. It just seems too straightforward. You know it just I don't know. I just wish they'd spend a little more time to make it a little bit more like. You know, if we're going to have the holy hand grenade at the sacred plum vile, we can have the flowery prophecy too. Yeah, just so anyway. And I do appreciate the superior's response at the end, where he's like, even if you're right, how do you know?

Speaker 1: 12:33

How do we know that Chloe is his first love? Like you know, he has been around for how many thousands of years. This is ridiculous, Right, which? And the that priest doesn't actually believe that Lucifer Morningstar is the devil, Right, you know, he's just poking holes, Just like making sure, like, can you please recognize how ridiculous you're being? And also in the storytelling, like then Kinley could say well, who else could it be? So that we would be answering that question, so that we would think, and then they give us the other clues with the fact that she wanted an apple Appletini, and then there was a thing of apples right next to her. So they I mean that they also did that so that we could come along with them as they introduced the first. And I think, like that was that was really good writing, Like I really appreciated how they did that. It was, it was.

Speaker 1: 13:30

So you want to overthink Eve's name? I do. I do Because it wasn't. Even this is like. This is a classic, like translation issue, Actually with pronouns. So you think that confusion around pronouns is recent. It ain't Like. I won't go into all of the details because it just gets. It gets really deep in the weeds. But her name was Chaya, because she was the mother of all living.

Speaker 1: 13:58

Like Chaya, like Chaya, like Chaya, Like Chaya, Life yeah Her name was Chaya and then at one point it's it talks about her and some scribe put the word for the male pronoun, which is, and wrote it. And of course there are no vowels in the text. And somebody else was like it shouldn't be male, it should be female. So they put the vowel under it for the female pronoun, but it still had the consonants for the male pronoun, so it became Eve, If you read it with the vowels and the pronouns as written. And then that became Eve, so it's a typo. The name Eve is a typo. It is not a name, it is a weird conglomeration of the male and female pronouns. Third person pronouns in ancient.

Speaker 1: 14:57

Hebrew it ain't a name. She would never have gone by Eve. I mean, neither would the archangel have gone by Lucifer. We did that over thinking back in the first season and so whatever. But it just yeah. It just also also, who else could it have been? Lilith came before Eve or Haya. Lilith was first and if you accept the Lilith Apocrypha which this show does, she predates Eve so and she had a. She definitely had a relationship with the devil, which I'll get into even more when we meet her. But this whole like, who else could it be? There were at least two other options and it was not the first one. In fact I was.

Speaker 1: 16:02

I was telling a friend of mine who's a rabbi about this show and how much I love it and she was like, well, why was so great? And I was like, well, kind of pulls in on stuff, and like there's one part where there's a prophecy about the devil's first love, and she says, oh, you mean Lilith. And I was like, well, at least in Jewish sources, the devil's first love, no question, lilith. So yeah, okay, anyway, that's my little like rabbit hole for a moment. To continue on the rabbit hole, just the, the male pronoun that became Eve, eve and then Eve by accident. What was it referring to, and does it change the story at all? It was referring to Haya, that's I mean. That's why it got changed. So it was. It's very context.

Speaker 1: 16:49

Somebody just screwed up and they they should have put a Yod, the little short, it's a Y, and instead they put a Vav, which is the long straight line, and so it's just, it's just the wrong. It's a long letter. It's a typo. It's a typo, it's, it's. The context is clear that it means her, which is why a later.

Speaker 1: 17:09

But they can't change it. They can't actually change the letters. And so the Maserai to put the vowels in for us. But in the vow, that would have been right for the Yod for the female third person pronoun, but when you read it with that Vav, it says heave instead of he.

Speaker 1: 17:27

It's very confusing. In Hebrew he is she, who is he and me is who. So English to Hebrew very confusing. But Gotcha, okay, just the way that you said it, I was. I was thinking it might have been like it was a he and it was confusing as to who was referring to.

Speaker 2: 17:49

No, it's very clear.

Speaker 1: 17:50

My recollection is and it only happens one time, but my recollection is that the context is pretty clear, that the story means Haya, means we know, call you. Which is why the Maserai felt confident in saying, oh, it says who, but you should read it as he and here's the vow for he. But if you just read it and you're not making that correction, it reads as he. That makes sense. All right, very cool, I love it. This is what we're doing, this for. This is why we have this entire channel. Yeah, yeah, for the overthinking, so much overthinking, so I like. Speaking of Eve, I would like to talk about her character, because I feel like she's got a thing that in Barlavi that the actress has a thankless job and she nails it because, like she comes in and this is the fourth season, people are very much Decker Star Shippers and she is in the way but instead of just being, like you know, a big block of nothing in the way, like Pierce, she is this incredible, like likable, engaging, interesting character who is both understandable why she does what she does, the way that she does things and flawed, and and just I, just I love Eve. I love the character of Eve. I love the way that they they wrote her and the way that in Barlavi plays her. She is also like 150 percent my husband's type and I was like trying to get, just just get to season four and you can just just drill. We'll drill together and not so much, you know. I think even more than maybe not even more.

Speaker 1: 19:53

I agree Lavi does a great job and also I think our writers did a great job because, yes, that especially like we, chloe isn't sure that he's devastated. She thinks he's probably fine. He's out there living it up. We see differently. He's drunk every drop of that wall of scotch in the in the penthouse and has gone down to the party to get more and is like just in his under, like he's not entertaining women in the penthouse, he's just drinking himself into oblivion. He is a wreck because she can't accept him or fully who he is. And so when Eve is like no, I'm here for you, and he's certain she is going to reject him in the same way because he is unlovable in his mind, and she just like, doesn't avert her eyes, takes him by the you know the either side of the face and kisses him in the devil face. It is what he needed. He felt unlovable. Yeah, and so it's. I think our writers did a really good job of like, yeah, I'm total team Decker star and also like that's what Lucy needed. It is.

Speaker 1: 21:15

He needed someone to say I see all of you.

Speaker 2: 21:20

And I'm okay with it.

Speaker 1: 21:20

I think you're amazing, all of you Uh-huh, yeah, yeah. And the fact that she kisses him while he still has the double face. It actually reminded me of something completely ridiculous. But have you seen Deadpool? I haven't, okay.

Speaker 1: 21:37

So the story of Deadpool is Ryan Reynolds who, like he plays Wade Wilson, but he's actually Ryan Reynolds in every party. He's in love with a woman. They're going to spend their lives together. He gets diagnosed with like horrible cancer that it's just going to boom, kill him, and so he leaves. Anyway, this group wants him to to try to see if he can. They can cure his cancer but also make him a superhero, and in doing that, they like completely mess up his face, like he just gets ugly and gross, and so he doesn't go back to Vanessa, first because he's afraid that she'll reject him, and then, like he's just all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 1: 22:24

At the end of the film, when he like they're finally back together again, he has like he's wearing his mask. He pulls it off for her to see and she's like you know what, after a brief, you know getting getting used to it, period, that is a hate face I will happily sit on, cause that's the kind of movie it is, and so it reminded me of that. Where it's it's like you know it's not about like, yeah, ryan Reynolds is a remarkably handsome man and no, he does. He looks like a thumb after you've, after it's been in the water for a while, after the, the, the, you know the stuff that they do to him. The same thing with with Lucifer. Where it's like I like you, it's not about what your face looks like.

Speaker 2: 23:12

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 23:13

Yeah and how important that is for anyone to hear yeah, yeah and the. The other thing I appreciate about Eve is they very easily could have made her like the sexy baby trope Cause there is the, the naivete and the bad aspect of it, but she's not helpless and she's not like, like she's enthusiastic but she's like, she's helpful and like. The stuff that she wants to try are really like, cool and interesting, like, oh, I get to bash him in the balls but and and so like. There is some of the like, sexy, ingenue about her, but it's not of the like, oh, I'm so helpless, it's more of the like I am just have, I'm inexperienced.

Speaker 2: 24:09

I haven't done that before.

Speaker 1: 24:10

I want to, I want to try it, yeah, yeah. And, like you know, she figured out a way to get to to Los Angeles from the dusty old tomb. She woke up, right, right, which is remarkable, right, yeah, yeah, yeah. So she's always been kind of a rule breaker, yeah.

Speaker 2: 24:32

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 24:33

Yeah, all right. So I, I just so appreciate the the, because there are so many ways that this could have gotten misogynistically. Yes, and it does not. Okay, I want to talk about. I want to talk about Lauren German's performance and then I think we should move on to the other episode. So, specifically, when they finally like get to the heart of the matter and he's like you know why are you lying to me and whatever. And they, they have that sort of confrontation and and she, you know why, how could you do this to me? And her response is because I'm terrified and she, she sort of barks it.

Speaker 1: 25:19

There's something about that scene that doesn't read to me and it's not the dialogue. The dialogue, I think, is good and I don't know if it's because I know like there are. We talked offline about the fact that there are a bunch of people who speculate about what kind of work she had done between seasons and in general. I don't want to talk about her appearance in that way, but I wonder if she lost some nuance in her facial expression because of whatever, if in fact she had that work done, because it just it didn't. It doesn't hang together for me. And in the future there's another episode in the future when she again is like I'm not falling apart. We'll talk about it when we get there. But that one really upsets me because it just doesn't work. But this one is the like, along with when we spoke last time about her recoil they're both overacted and underacted at the same time.

Speaker 1: 26:15

And I don't know how to like I don't quite know how to articulate it, but that's it. It's overacted in the maybe in the volume and underacted in the nuance. I think that's the way I'm going to articulate what bothers me about German's performance in those moments. I don't think it's the dialogue, although I'm a words person and so maybe maybe I'm I'm being more generous with the words than, but I don't know.

Speaker 1: 26:45

It's just something about that moment and again, we said it last time, like Ellis is such an actor of subtlety you know Well, the, the look on his face and the like, the, the, the tears in his eyes that have not fallen are like oh. And even the way that he says, you know, when she says I don't know, and he says I guess I have my answer, there's something that just, I just believe it's just heartbreaking. Yeah, and I don't believe her delivery. And it's not that I don't believe the words, because I believe that she's terrified and doesn't know what to think and all of this messages, but she remembered, like, the things she says I believe, and her delivery I just didn't believe. Yeah.

Speaker 1: 27:33

So, anyway, I'm sorry to those more German fans who might be watching. Yeah, she has her strengths and I think as the as the show went on, it got a little further and further away from her strengths. Yes, I agree, because I really bought her as the hard boiled, like completely repressed. I bought her as that Hug, bite and sink her. Yeah, like that worked for me. Yeah, it's these moments where she needs to actually tap into emotion that I just don't. We struggle and I'll see it. We struggle with it and I'll see it. So I do want to talk about so in that, because we've kind of back and forth between episodes. But in oh Father, oh you Little, oh you Little Faithfather, we were talking before we started recording about Linda's advice to Lucifer in that episode. That really bothers me. So she was saying like, okay, you think that she has betrayed you and if you accuse her you can't unring that bell. That's good advice, that is true. So, like you know, just as in a marriage, if you say like you cheated on me, you can't, and Linda says that, unsay it. But she then said so, feel her out gently. And it's just like well, no, that doesn't make sense and that's not good advice. Instead, it would make more sense to be like look, I need to talk to you about something.

Speaker 1: 29:06

A man named Father Kinley reached out to me and has said that you have been in touch with each other and I don't understand what's going on. Can you help me understand? And like, being straightforward about it is what an actual therapist would recommend, I believe. And so like no, the feel it out is what you need, what the story needed, okay, but like but they don't. They never stuck by that because he never follows her advice. Yeah, he never follows her advice. Yeah, now, he always twists it into what he wants to do. So, yeah, you know, if she had said, like, don't accuse her, but just ask her, you know what's up with this. And he had said feel her out, that's right, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so you know, if she's just like I don't know, he's like, oh, I'm like, let's do something, or whatever, whatever the line is, you know, because that's ultimately what he does is the try to. You know, you're Andrew's Brody in this this is a very tough yeah.

Speaker 1: 30:07

Well, and even though oh, what's this? It's perfume. I have drunk something worse, you know like, instead of saying like, look, I know what this is, you know like and that's I. It's just, it's a an odd moment. There's one other that's like we've talked about and we'll get to it later that I'm really upset at the showrunners for, because I think that it's badly Serves people who actually deal with that, that particular mental health issue. We'll get there. But this is another one where I'm like this is bad advice, whereas normally it seems like they are putting good advice in Linda's mouth. So, but I do want to talk about Linda has a house. Yeah, because in the first season she and Lucifer were doing it in her office in a pullout on like a sofa bed. Yeah, so, like you know, and well, my head cannon on that is that she had been like staying in the Office while she and Reese were getting divorced and now that he's dead, like the house is hers. Oh, you think it was. Oh, that's my head cannon. That's interesting, okay, just because it feels like. What's interesting too is like the house feels like a Linda house like, and then I could see it's also very a la. To me it feels like that's true. That's true, it is very la that.

Speaker 1: 31:32

So we talked last time about how the Director, sherwin Shaladi, does such a good job. He directed all about Eve, which is the one where we see Linda's house for the first time, and and there are two moments that I want to point out, which is the they come back from seeing the doctor. It's the first time or well, not a story doctor, but the ultrasound tech, the first time they've that. We've actually seen Linda's house and a menendial is just excited like Boy, can't we teach them all kinds of things? And like you see her stand and stare up at the ceiling fan and you see the ceiling fan like turning. It's this really cool effect and you know exactly what she's thinking. So, like that it's just really well done. Visual storytelling it really is.

Speaker 1: 32:27

The other thing that all Sherwin did nicely is that that bite scene, fight scene in the bar in Dalton's place with that song. I love that song. It's something like riding a lightning bolt, is like the, the, yeah, the chorus, and oh, my goodness, it's just so fun. That's actually really good when we and when we meet Eve, it's Portis head Tentris. This is bad for me. Yeah, that's a great back to college, yeah, yeah, well, and the like.

Speaker 1: 33:06

The introduction of her like panning over now I can't Like overthinking it. I'm like with the bartender when he's saying, sure you, you don't want to stay like it's rocking tonight, it's you know Like well, while on earth, what I want to do that and he looks over and we're supposed to believe he could see Eve from all the way over in the bar and that huge crowded room. I Don't know if that's what we're supposed to believe her if he was just kind of like in general, there's lots of hot women here, I think, though, but those it was specific Lee, her, she was sort of the center. Yeah, she was, she was, but the way that they pan, over everything.

Speaker 1: 33:34

And then the way that they that pause and then, like, all of a sudden she's jumping up and down and oh yeah, because the tempo changes.

Speaker 2: 33:45

The tempo is to have time, and then all of a sudden it comes back up to yeah, yeah, that's pretty, that's pretty and the the choreography of that.

Speaker 1: 33:51

It's beautiful, really, really well done. Yeah, it's beautiful, although I think that's a good thing. Yeah, I think that's a good thing.

Speaker 1: 33:57

Yeah, it's beautiful, although an overthinking. Is it really cold in elucifer's penthouse because, like two minutes later she's like no sweat whatsoever? Yeah, so also, how did that white dress stay? Still stay so nice? Yeah, at least 48 hours longer. Yeah, because the implications she had woken up with it, yeah, which I don't think it would have survived 5,000 years or whatever. Oh, did you think? Because I didn't think that she'd necessarily woken up with. I figured she figured out a way to get it, because those red heels, definitely. She definitely did not wake up with the red heels, that's true. Yeah, I interrupted you talking about the choreography of the bar fight. Oh, yes, I think it was Remarkable and beautiful and used a lot of actually that same sort of like slow motion, like and then up to and just the way that they have the choreography of Tom Ellis has Lucifer kind of just like easily like bobbing and weaving out of the way of like chairs and pull cues and Punches and things.

Speaker 1: 35:05

It was pretty cool, I mean yeah, well, and they, they all the extras, get in on it too. So like there's a guy who at one point he just brushes glass off.

Speaker 2: 35:17

Yeah, he's sitting at the bar.

Speaker 1: 35:18

He's sitting at the bar. Yeah, yeah, I saw him. He's just like, oh, and then, and the bartender like cleaning the bar, and then the waitress who like stops somebody who's gonna hit, even then, yeah, they're like go power. And. And then also all all through that, with Eve's reaction, which is just like I feel, your sister, yeah, particularly since he's doing it specifically for her. Yeah, because he was not gonna fight until someone tried to to take her. Yeah, right, so, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I feel that definitely, yeah, yeah, so even the way that it ends where we hear Chloe's voice and then the thing goes through his shoulder and then the oh, detective, oh, my goodness, yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 1: 36:11

This is probably one of One of the episodes I've seen most often. I've come back to it again and again, and again because it is just a delight, even like little moments like the, the ultrasounds with May's freaking out, when the gel flips toward the camera, I laughed out loud. And then she, like she sniffs it and licks it, like all right. And then when they, like I did, having had two ultrasounds that Revealed I was having a boy, like that's not how you, like, it's not in the side view, you gotta get get underneath the side view unless he's very well in the middle of the video. You gotta get get underneath the side view. Unless he's very well endowed, you're not gonna see anything, whatever. But yeah, overthinking. But when not when they're like having a boy and and May's is immediately like I don't look next time. Oh my gosh, I love this episode so much and the ultrasounds, like it's usually only one penis.

Speaker 1: 37:22

I was looking for the way, which also reminded me do you remember this? When, um, um, we first found out that we were having our eldest, um, and like we didn't know yet whether we were having a boy or a girl, you sent me a card saying like you were so excited and it was the card said like 10 little fingers and 10 little toes and wings wings would be cool too. I think I still have it somewhere. So it's all kinds of just Great stuff in both these episodes the the first of these I don't rewatch as often because it is a little brutal the little look, I definitely skip over the scene.

Speaker 1: 38:04

Oh man, the scene in the house, that Oscar by the Catholic Church, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then even Ella, like I read beef kebabs. Again, I'm like Ella, seriously, no, I'm usually behind you on anything you have to say, but no, oh, um, I do want to say I need her. Her t-shirt, the one with the unicorn and the rainbows is heavy metal. I need that t-shirt, it must be mine, it will be mine. So, okay, I'm watching the time and I actually have to retrieve my progeny, um, spring off spring. So I'm gonna Say any final things that you have to say about all about eve. Hmm, I don't think so. Okay, I think we're good. Fluff, fluff, fluff. Do you have Fluff? Oh my gosh, I had something in it. Well, we both noticed, before we hit record, that when Lucifer is falling apart, there are friggin' holes in his sock.

Speaker 1: 39:08

He's walking around in just his underwear and the robe and socks and you can see his toes. Yeah, you can see his toes peeking out. Well done, costumer. We noticed Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Yes, oh, I know Another fluff when they were talking about it to Beshear Like we're not a couple, but we used to be. You might have read about it in the Bible, yeah, although it wasn't really an apple, it was more of a banana, right, and so I know that they're not actually talking about fruit, but I'm going like the modern Cavendish banana has only been around for a few hundred years.

Speaker 2: 39:49

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 39:49

There was no such fruit thousands of years ago. We had to cross pollinate things yeah, genetically engineer it, yeah, genetically engineer the current banana.

Speaker 2: 40:04

Which is in the, which is in Jeopardy what used to be a banana was full of seeds.

Speaker 1: 40:07

Yeah, so I know that that's not the point.

Speaker 2: 40:12

Yeah, that wasn't what they were talking about.

Speaker 1: 40:17

I mean, she could have said it was an eggplant, based on today's emoji language. So you know she wasn't talking about it. I know it's just, it was just like I like this. But also, you know, apples didn't exist. No, I've read that it was maybe more like a quince, which I don't even know what that is. So who knows, who knows? So, so that's that's my overthinking it. So you know the very large banana, it's true.

Speaker 1: 40:49

And then Bashir is like I have no idea what you two are talking about. Also, I kind of like Bashir. He's just like the concierge of crime and he's just like I just want to, you know, sit in the sauna and or not the sauna. He's in a hot tub, drinking mojitos and offering olives to anybody who comes by. He's just giving his wife expensive necklaces. I've been his best life. I mean, yeah, he does, he does beat people up, but but he doesn't kill them. So he doesn't kill them. Yeah, no footing anybody without my permission first. Oh, also, Tobi Golden and Pablo Silva made Golden Silva Jewelers, which is, I think, either like brilliance or awful Brilliant. There's no in between. I'm going brilliant. I'm going brilliant. Oh, you know what else?

Speaker 1: 41:44

Okay, so one more overthinking moment, when Dan just like struts into the low sexes HQ and they're like whatever they're talking, smack and stuff. And then they started speaking in Spanish and he looks kind of confused and I was like, doesn't Dan speak Spanish? Yeah, he does. I mean, they've made that clear before. I thought that was a little bit odd. He's just like, well, maybe he wasn't confused, but he's kind of had this like I don't know that moment, like I was waiting for him to speak Spanish back and he didn't come. So I was a little disappointed that that didn't happen in that scene, that particular moment. Yeah, I was like I was waiting for Dan Esposito to come back with Spanish, but Espinoza, oh, thank you, Espinoza. I knew it didn't sound right. I knew it didn't sound right. So one other thing they used an actual phone number for Dan's number for the Chewbacca challenge. Oh, really, yeah, I noticed, because it wasn't a 555 number.

Speaker 1: 43:03

It always takes me out. It immediately takes me out of the show. And this I was looking at it, looking for the 555. I'm like that's not a 555. That's a real phone number. Yes, I love it. I wonder, if I call it, what would happen. Maybe you'll get a Chewbacca message, or maybe I can leave a Chewbacca message. I don't know. That's pretty fine, all right, I really got to go, so I'm going to go pick up the phone. Yeah, go pick up the phone. I'm going to pick up the phone. I'm going to pick up the phone. I'm going to pick up the phone. Yeah, go pick up your child. Elementary school pick up. Man. Yes, it's rough out there. It's rough out there in these streets. I want you See you next week. See you next week.

Speaker 2: 43:44

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