On rewatch, the Guy girls were reminded just how much they compartmentalize their memories about these two episodes. “Our Mojo” and “Spoiler Alert” provide delightfully fun and funny moments intermixed with grim details of the serial-killer-right-under-our-noses storyline.
The sisters spend time teasing out the phenomenological and metaphorical mechanisms behind the supernatural elements of “Our Mojo,” including Lucifer’s emotional immaturity and the consequences of having the drawer-of-desires finally achieving his own desire. Comparing and contrasting the three angelic siblings (as well as the two villains, Pete and Michael) captures their attention, and they agree that Pete is the most chilling of the killers in the procedural portion of the show.
In the end, Emily longs for an encouraging gif of DB Woodside believing in her and Tracie refuses to believe that a hardboiled detective like Chloe Decker would drink a frou-frou coffee order.
Originally published as a YouTube show with different theme music.
Our theme song is "Feral Angel Waltz" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
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To learn more about Tracie and Emily and our other projects, to support us, and join the Guy Girls' family, visit us on Patreon.
On rewatch, the Guy girls were reminded just how much they compartmentalize their memories about these two episodes. “Our Mojo” and “Spoiler Alert” provide delightfully fun and funny moments intermixed with grim details of the serial-killer-right-under-our-noses storyline.
The sisters spend time teasing out the phenomenological and metaphorical mechanisms behind the supernatural elements of “Our Mojo,” including Lucifer’s emotional immaturity and the consequences of having the drawer-of-desires finally achieving his own desire. Comparing and contrasting the three angelic siblings (as well as the two villains, Pete and Michael) captures their attention, and they agree that Pete is the most chilling of the killers in the procedural portion of the show.
In the end, Emily longs for an encouraging gif of DB Woodside believing in her and Tracie refuses to believe that a hardboiled detective like Chloe Decker would drink a frou-frou coffee order.
Originally published as a YouTube show with different theme music.
Our theme song is "Feral Angel Waltz" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/
To learn more about Tracie and Emily and our other projects, to support us, and join the Guy Girls' family, visit us on Patreon.
Tracy and Emily are smart, lovable sisters who really love Lucifer for the plot yeah, the plot which they overthink.
Speaker 2:I am here with my sister, Tracy Guy-Decker, who does use a hyphen.
Speaker 3:And I'm here with my sister, emily Guy-Burken. She does not use a hyphen, that's true.
Speaker 2:And together we are Lightbringers where we illuminate the deeper meaning of the crime-solving devil TV show. And yes, we're overthinking it. It's what?
Speaker 3:we do it is, and so today Em we're overthinking 507 and 508, our mojo, our mojo and spoiler alert.
Speaker 2:One thing I have to say is I kind of separate in my mind the funny parts of these episodes from the bleaker stuff. I remembered our mojo as, like you know, like the funny at the bit, like are you cold Cause hell was supposed to freeze over, and like him posing naked Right and like him, you know the, the loser freak out. Similarly, I remember him like trying to figure out how to get revenge on Dan and like that I think of like the serial killer side plot and and all of that as a different episode. Yeah, it is bleak.
Speaker 3:I I am watching these to prepare for this. I remember why I don't re-watch them very often, so, but let's dig in. Um, let's uh start with our mojo. Um, there's some stuff that I want to over. I made some notes so that I would like stay on task so we won't have another mr rogers situation right, well, we might, but, um, okay, so let's start the.
Speaker 3:Let's start off with the fact that the mojo, she can mojo him, she motors him from the beginning, and then we realized he has lost the ability to ask people's desires. I really want to overthink what's happening here because I'm like it's in some ways it's just sort of a comedic moment for the TV show, like for the TV experience, and also like sets up sort of hit, a reminder of his emotional immaturity.
Speaker 3:But let's actually like dig into, like what is happening, the mechanics of it Phenomenologically, and metaphorically, like I was thinking about, like a couple episodes ago, a menideal realized that Lucifer like draws out people's desires by reflecting back at them what they desire. Right, and I'm thinking like, maybe because he's actually now consummated his having fallen in love with chloe, with with sex, like he actually achieved a desire and so now, like there's like he's not as receptive to others, maybe, and since she was the object of that desire in a, in a deeper way than just sort of the, you know, scratching the edge of physical, of physical desire, like there's a deeper emotional connection with her. That maybe that's kind of what's happening with the initial kind of transference but and loss, because it's actually all about him, right, she doesn't actually have the power to draw out others' desires, only his, and he's lost the power to draw out other people's desires. He never was able to draw out Chloe's, so maybe it's something about the fulfilled desire in him that makes that happen.
Speaker 2:Does that make sense to me? Yeah, yeah, I think. To the show's credit, they never explain it, even though I think that that is a reasonable explanation for what's happening, because there is something. One of the things I had thought about is clearly he has lots of experience, but would he be good for Chloe? Because he can't reflect her desire back, and so he'd be, you know, fumbling just like any other human being, the first time with with a new lover. So an interesting thought, and so I have had that thought before multiple times.
Speaker 2:But then this is kind of like the other side of it is is that all of his desire power is about drawing out other people's desires.
Speaker 2:What is it that he desires? Because nobody asks him that, and that's part of like. The gift of what Chloe is for him is that she can see him as a person and is actually in a position to say, like, what is it that you truly want, rather than just you know, I'm the person who gets you what you want, which is normal reaction, or who he normally is to other people, and it's interesting that, instead of just being like satisfied, he freaks out. Now, that's a part of his emotional immaturity, but it's also in some ways realistic too, with an overgrown man child, like actually experiencing intimacy for the first time, that he would like freak out and kind of retreat again. I don't know what that means for and I feel like this was just a writer shortcut for him being invulnerable again in the next episode. Like I don't feel like we can put our heads together and overthink a way to make that work.
Speaker 3:Honestly, I mean maybe, but you know we have to try, Indeed we do and and actually sort of on that line that you're that you're pulling on right now. There's this, that weird moment after they've caught Klomsky, Lucifer has recovered from the drug and they're standing there and ella and chloe walk away and pete is left there with lucifer and pete's like I feel like you don't like me and whatever, and they have that exchange. That first time through, before you know the truth about pete, like makes total sense. And then now running through knowing what we know about Pete, like what's his angle?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I don't, I don't, I don't know, unless it's just all part of the act of doing what you're supposed to do. Yeah, and that conversation about like I just have to let her in and see what she decides, and then Chloe's response to like you finally let me in by like that's what the transference of the mojo was. All of that then combined within the return of the invulnerability, I think actually okay, you've convinced me I think it makes sense that does make sense.
Speaker 3:It's a part of his freak out, that he like the, that next taking that I mean, since he self, he self actualizes the actualization of the next level of intimacy, of letting her past his defenses and and magic, and like sort of how he interacts with others. It like realizing that that has happened and the emotions that that sort of draws or creates in him is enough to make him shut down the ways in which he had let her in previously.
Speaker 2:Yeah, okay, I'll buy it. That makes sense.
Speaker 3:But the conversation like I actually think, in terms of storytelling and so that I could draw that conclusion, the conversation with Pete is very, very helpful, right? So this, the breadcrumbs that the writers left for us were that conversation with pete and then chloe talking about letting, letting her in. So that's helpful, but when I look at pete and his motivation, I don't, I mean I I guess I just have to sort of say like well, that's just part of the whole act, because I have the same question about giving her his key. I mean, when you have a freaking like murder room dungeon, yeah, maybe you don't give your key to the curious forensic scientist.
Speaker 3:So that you're trying to keep in the dark.
Speaker 2:I actually, I do want to talk about pete quite a bit. I actually I see that, as he thinks he's smarter than everyone, yeah, and so you see that in in the when she's interrogating him, like yeah, um, and so I am willing to like there's, there's no danger to me because, like I'm too, smart, I too smart, and so that fits for me.
Speaker 2:I think there's also a sense of, like he was talking about I want to feel something. The danger of having her there would also be flirting with something that could maybe make him feel something. Yeah, and feel something, you know, yeah. And then, as for the the conversation with lucifer, he's saying I just have to let her in and let her, like, decide for herself, but he's he's not right, he's not actually all an act, it's all an act. And so, like there's I the fact that that is entirely an act. I mean, does he even like Star Trek? I mean like he was able to do the Klingon?
Speaker 3:I think he's got to like Star Trek. You don't bust out Klingon. Yeah, then another Klingon speaker recognizes.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you know he's, and the fact that he's putting on the act in front of lucifer is what feels like wow, that's, that's tap dancing to a level I have trouble imagining.
Speaker 3:but then again I'm not a serial killer, right? And I wonder too if there's something about, I mean, part of what he said he was doing was saying everything he was supposed to say. So, even in saying like it doesn't matter if we're friends, but she really likes you and I really like her, it's like, in some ways, that was all about Lucifer's ego, right, and so maybe that actually that's why the breadcrumbs were there, because Pete was just picking up what was already there, that he was seeing Lucifer's anxiety about, you know, not feeling worthy, yeah, which becomes a major theme in the next oh, absolutely In the next half a season, yeah.
Speaker 2:So the other thing that I wanted to say about Pete is actually it's more about Ella. She's not sure about him at multiple points and people were like, oh my God, he's so great, he's so perfect for you. And then, specifically in spoiler alert, when she's like oh my God, this is too soon about the key to Chloe. Chloe advises her, like, enjoy this, embrace it. And I want to talk about how common it is for society to talk women out of their gut feelings.
Speaker 2:I have been in relationships where it didn't feel right and people have told me like, oh my God, he's being so good to you, Enjoy this, Just just, and like it blew up later. I'm like not, you know, murder dungeon in the in the basement later, but like still blew up and I got mad that I like ignored my own sense and intuition. And that's clearly going on with with Ella, and I know some of it has to do with the fact that she's convinced that she liked bad boys and so like I'm, I'm resisting cause he's a nice guy Right, Instead of it being like you know what. I know myself and I know how I'm reacting and I should listen, and so that's something I've really felt watching this, just because it has happened to me on more than one occasion and I think it happens to I mean not just women, it happens to everyone.
Speaker 3:Our society gaslights yeah, we're definitely told not to trust our intuition, but we also, as a species, are guilty of self-sabotage. I mean, both are true absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 2:The thing is there's the, the kind of the, the self-sabotage that she is guilty of is not slowing down too much, true and so, and that that's part of part of why like, but it's, it's difficult. That's why I feel like everyone needs a therapist. Like if she had talked to linda about this, I think linda would have had a more nuanced and reasonable response than like, and you know, some of this was because chloe was freaking out a little bit about the fact that lucifer hadn't said I love you yet, and so she would have really liked it if if he were right, she rushed, so she rushed through her advice as well.
Speaker 3:Yeah, exactly well. And then there was a snake that she needed to go address.
Speaker 2:Yeah, literal, literal sink a little snake, um, but that was something, because that's not the only time that that that's happened with Ella and her intuition was absolutely correct. And even if he hadn't turned out to be a serial killer, that doesn't change the fact that if you feel like it's too fast, then it's too fast. It's too fast, like that's you only need one person to put on the brakes Right, right, like that's, you only need one person to put on the brakes, right, right. And that's, uh, something I wish. I don't know, I'm not sure how I wish they, if they they had done anything differently or anything like that, because it becomes clear that the advice was terrible from uh, that from chloe, and not that she did anything wrong, but just that it was bad advice. But you know, I just want to underline in our show how unhelpful it is to tell someone like enjoy this, embrace it, when someone is expressing discomfort or something right, right, right.
Speaker 3:You know, thinking about our mojo and that and Pete in that like I wonder if there was a, from the storytelling perspective, a missed opportunity, just minor, of like. While he's helping to catch klomsky, the only emotion he really expresses is like oh no, we're gonna save a life. This is like great. Um. I wish that we'd seen a little bit of anger from him.
Speaker 2:I will say I was paying a little closer attention than probably. Well, so this might've been so subtle that it wasn't actually there, but there was a point where where Chloe says like we've caught the serial killer, we've caught the person who's responsible for four deaths, and there, and Pete's face kind of falls, and it's very subtle, which fits with the how firmly he's wearing his mask, but his, his face definitely changes in that moment, and I think that that is, and no one's looking at him at the time either. So like I felt like that's reasonable. That is what would happen with someone who is so committed to a fake persona.
Speaker 3:I feel like we could have. I I do think we could have had him say, like when they're in the dark room or something, or when she's like apologizing, he can say let's catch this son of a bitch, you know like I think he could have expressed anger toward klonsky, yeah, uh, in a way that would have at like made sense, as like if he weren't we're not who he is, just like we have to stop this killer, but also on retrospect for us, as the re-watchers would have been like oh he's pissed off at this copycat, yeah, which totally not necessary, obviously, but would have been satisfying, I think, for the re-watcher to be like oh look, he's like annoyed that that he's being copied like we don't see it there's.
Speaker 3:They actually don't express annoyance at his being copied ever. We don't see that at all, not even in the interrogation at the end.
Speaker 3:I do think, considering the part he's playing for Ella him saying let's catch that son of a bitch wouldn't fit, because he's playing this very gentle character yeah, um to for her whereas, like hitting, saving a life is in keeping with the character he's playing I guess I I would argue that it could have been written in a way that could have given us something that would have been still within keeping of the character he was playing for ella and also expressed a little bit of the anger that the actual, although part of what we hear from him is that he has no feelings, yeah, except for in that, you know. So, yeah, well, I, okay, he's.
Speaker 2:I feel like he's the most chilling character Totally Of all the bad guys.
Speaker 3:Yeah, because he's a complete sociopath like he has no energy for the women that he kills. And even like when he's talking, like when she realizes he was planning on killing her, and I mean, yeah, all most of the other killers actually had a lot of feeling, they had a lot of passion, and it was misplaced and it was over the top and it was like whatever, like not worth killing for dude, but but at least like the actual emotion was comprehensible. Absolutely, peace is not. It's horrifying. And and actually it's interesting that, thinking about the two arcs, like that Michael is paired here too, because I also find Michael incomprehensible.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's that's fair, because he's not. He's motivated by this. I mean, we learn through the big arc that it's motivated by lust for power, but we don't see that now. But we don't see that now. Learn through the big arc that it's motivated by lust for power, but we don't see that now. But we don't see that now. It's. It's kind of like you know how there are people who they just like to tease people in a way and like and get a. And this was me growing up. I was. I was like people would say it was easy to get my goat and like don't be so easy to get your goat. And I'm just like why do you like getting my goat? Yeah, I remember that, and so that's something I struggle to understand, like why someone would enjoy pushing people's buttons, which is exactly what Michael does.
Speaker 3:And it's, you know, it's interesting to to like juxtapose, like the three brothers that we see in these two episodes right, like a menadeel manages to say just the right thing that's actually helpful and healing to maze about. You know about other examples of things that never, never happened before.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and he's so, um, like, he's like, if anyone can get what they want, it's you.
Speaker 3:he's so just supportive, encouraging and empowering. Yeah, so he, he plays that role. And then michael is sort of the opposite, like fueling the fear and the and the anger and the resentment, like fueling all the negative emotions to send her back. And Lucifer is oblivious.
Speaker 2:And this is the worst possible thing.
Speaker 3:But not out of malice, no, no, it's completely from the other two brothers have strategy. Yeah, that's true, the one to uplift the other to denigrate, yeah, and Lucifer denigratesrates, but through obliviousness and um, it's sort of interesting, sort of juxtaposing those three to in relation to maze in particular, but also just in general, in the way that they are interacting with the world and like what's motivating them.
Speaker 2:You know what's interesting I just realized and I I think it was probably was supposed to be obvious and I didn't get it but the uh juxtaposing of chloe getting obsessed trying to find the serial killer, with lucifer getting obsessed planning the, the revenge on on dan, and how important her work was and how frivolous his was.
Speaker 3:And when she says, like you go, do that, I'm going to catch a killer and he's like great idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah, again, the obliviousness. The obliviousness. Oh yeah, that's that. That was the point at which, uh, cause, and like Lauren German just kind of like really opens her eyes wide, like are you kidding me? Um, and that was the point where I was like, as much as I adore the character of lucifer, it would be hell being in a relationship with of any kind, like friendship, sibling, totally, totally loving relationship.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, michael, like pete is putting on a show like when michael shows up in the cemetery.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, with dan and then he says perhaps you've heard of me the archangel michael, and he does prayer hands, yeah, yeah, well, and what he's wearing even is like he like it's such a show, yeah, and I think like seeing Like he, like it's such a show, yeah, and I think like seeing, watching it again, seeing that show that Michael puts on like makes Pete's show, like the facade of it, kind of more nuanced for me. Yeah, that was the prayer hands.
Speaker 2:That was, that was the prayer hands, that was, that was what. Yeah, the thing that I find interesting also, because they call lucifer the prince of lies and it's archangel michael who's the liar, and I'm thinking about how easy it is to get away with a lie. Well, first of all, when it comes from a source that you don't expect to to lie, so like and that's something that I have, I've I've noticed like it. Well, okay, let's put it like this so harvey weinstein, part of his abuse was to cultivate people who were going to defend him Like Meryl Streep is one I can think of so the people that he is absolutely 100% just loyal to and kind to and never shows any sense of nastiness.
Speaker 2:And so when people are accusing him, there are these, these people in the wings going like that's not the Harvey I know, whereas someone who is living a life that seems like outside the norm or anything like that, you're more likely to think that they're lying just because you don't approve of how they live. It's a very amorphous thought, but I'm just thinking about the fact that there is this juxtaposition between who we expect to be truthful, who we expect to be duplicitous, and how that can be exploited in a way that's that makes it almost impossible for the truthful person, who's actually truthful, to convince people that they're telling the truth. Yeah who, michael, is such a dick.
Speaker 3:Such a dick, such a dick.
Speaker 2:Every time I forget it Right.
Speaker 3:He says a great job, I feel like his American accent wasn't quite as good. And spoiler Every time I forget it's Tom Atlas. Right, he does a great job, he does such a good job. I feel like his American accent wasn't quite as good in spoiler alert, like in the scene where she's in the zoo, which, by the way, an abandoned zoo, what, yeah, anyway, but I feel like his American accent was a little off on a couple of words. It stuck out, but the first time through I didn't notice that at all. But, yeah, total, total dick. So a couple of things from um, from spoiler alert that I want to mention. Like, overthinking it, the A-list director who's been dead over a week.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I have a hard time believing that she would go missing and not be discovered. Yeah, for over a week. Yeah, that just doesn't make sense. Yeah, that that didn't. Um. They, I that was a like a detail that I think they should have just changed.
Speaker 2:I just yeah, that didn't make she didn't have to be an a-list director. She could have been an aspiring director or like a director who recently had a I don't know like a scandal or something. You know, there's any number of things they could have done.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, just that that like little detail gave me a speed bump while I was watching, yeah, and that I also.
Speaker 3:I mean, I know they were just like in, like the emotion or whatever, but chloe'd only been missing for like a day two, yeah, and, and they clearly like that the body had been there for a while, because this they were the scent and then, the lilies were and flies, like they made it clear that this has been a minute which I think ella and lucifer would have put together even before they turned the, which was very dramatic you know the blonde hair and they they turn the chair and dramatic and also like kind of gross that they were like relieved that this dead woman, I mean, makes sense. They were relieved it wasn't their friend, but also like, oh yeah, so. And then the other thing that I wanted to just like lift up is the choreography of the fight scene at the end while time is frozen was amazing. I was really good, really enjoying it and like the way that, like it was I think it was kevin alejandro- yes, that's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 2:Did you see who directed?
Speaker 3:it like he is very talented the way he directed the cuts were like there would be like a strike and then it would be the other, the other pair. That was really, really satisfying to watch. Yes, yeah, I really enjoyed that um, and like the glass while time, and so it just sort of like hung there that was such a cool effect.
Speaker 2:When I was watching like the, the, like the glass and all of that I was like this is what a netflix budget does for you.
Speaker 3:That was I was. That was really really cool. I really like that. So one other thing I'm like checking my notes, which is why I'm like hesitating here. So the one other thing this is a little disjointed, but I'm watching the time is that it's interesting. Lucifer says to maze more than once you're just a demon. Right, which is painful for maze to hear ella when they're like chasing down the killer, and ella's like we need backup and he's like I'm all the backup you need and she's like you're just an actor and it doesn't affect him at all because it's not true. Yeah, and you know, I don't know if the writer set that up on purpose, but that was an interesting like. I found that I noticed that sort of interesting like dismissal of the companions, dismissal of the person, and the effect that it has is totally on whether or not that identity has been internalized.
Speaker 2:You know, I mean, that's so. If someone said to me you're just a Wisconsinite, I'd be like what? Because you know, yes, I live in Wisconsin, but that's not part of my identity. Whereas if they said, you know, you're just a writer or you're just a woman like that, I would be like you take that back, yeah, so. Yeah, it really does have to do with, like, whether or not this is something that you identify with and whether or not you have any internalized oppression around it. That's true too. So I'm trying to think of like something that I am other than like where I live. But you're just a Birkin, but since I am a member of that family, or just a guy actually, that I if someone said that's me, I have a little more of a problem with it. So, weird, weird, weird, weird. Oh yeah, yeah, let's sidle around the radioactivity.
Speaker 2:There is one thing that I want to mention before we get to fluff, because I know you've got a hard stop. This is not the first time that someone has brought up Ella's darkness. It really affects her, and for good reason, because you know Pete's saying like oh, we're just alike, right, what I? I really wish there was a little bit more about what that means Now. We get into it later, and when we get to it I'll talk about why I have such a problem with how that goes down. But her so-called darkness is just like humanity.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I actually wrote that down too and then I wasn't sure if I wanted to. Yeah, bring it up. But yeah, that I I agree and like, especially like lucifer, who has met 90 of humanity or whatever, like thinks that she's something special, she's stronger than she knows, and Azrael, who meets a hundred percent of humanity, at some point singled her out to be a special human friend. Like there's something special about Ella. I don't think it's darkness.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And I will say, if I'm going to overthink it, someone as dark as Pete, who has something I don't want to say special, but unusual about him. It's different. He might see the difference that is her specialness. He's projecting his difference onto it, yeah, and says I recognize it. The moment we met, it wasn't that he was recognizing the same, the same difference, but that there is a difference. I agree, what is dark about ella is just what is human about all of us. Yeah, yeah, but there is the show. Within the universe of the show, ella lopez is special. She's not a typical human. I mean billions of people. Azrael visits her, right, I mean, and now azrael doesn't meet most of them while they're still living, but some of them.
Speaker 2:She's not the only right, yeah, but as far as we know, she said something like it happens sometimes, like when, when she what happened with with ella in the car right, so and so there are, but she doesn't show up as Ray Ray the ghost for the rest of them.
Speaker 3:For the rest of them, yeah, for everyone who's had a near-death experience, yeah, yeah, if I'm going to overthink that which was atypical in Ella, cause that's the only way he knows atypicalness and they had a bunch of other things in common, like going on and whatever. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, and we I mean we do find out later like, yeah, she has intrusive thoughts.
Speaker 2:Yes, but she's also had a lot of trauma in her life and she's human, you know intrusive thoughts are fairly normal, but yeah. So I have got two pieces of fluff. I'm gonna start with the the less fluffy. During the fight scene I noticed there were a couple of times when you could tell that it was Tom Ellis's stunt, double fighting with maze. Yeah, for sure, and I was just like you know what. I have no idea how difficult this was to do. Yeah, like they did. They did a damn good job of making it seamless. But it's partially because I'm on like red alert Tom Ellis at all times. Yeah. So the second piece of fluff I have is when a menideal is giving maze, that the pep talk in our mojo. He gives her this, like this look where he's smiling and like just kind of looking at her with like admiration and I was like I need like a gif of that to like play. He's just like his smile is so beautiful and I'm just like can I just re-watch this scene a couple times?
Speaker 3:yeah yeah, and the way she sort of like settles in, like to put her head on her shoulder, yeah, or like snuggle down, yeah, yeah, nice. Those are nice pieces of fluff. I have one In spoiler alert when Michael brings Chloe coffee and it's some like crazy fancy drink with no sugar caramel, whatever, no fucking way. Whatever, no fucking way. There is no way that that hard-boiled cop made it that far in her life drinking that kind of a fruity drink. She, she drinks it black, maybe. Maybe there's like a splash of milk, not cream, but she's like this heart. She has to be tough as nails in order to survive in the job.
Speaker 3:yeah, you don't drink a coffee order like that as like the most hated cop on the force from like back in the palmetto days. No way that is her coffee order.
Speaker 2:See, I thought you were gonna get to the fact that that coffee cup was clearly empty. Like no way that is her coffee order. See, I thought you were going to get to the fact that that coffee cup was clearly empty when she smacks it out of his hand. Well, do you know that? It's a trope? Because it drives people nuts? Because they consistently have empty cups for proper reasons, for obvious reasons, obvious reasons for proper reasons.
Speaker 2:For obvious reasons, obvious reasons, but it is impossible for an actor to hold a cup as if it has weight without it having weight. And I've read, you know, just gone down rabbit holes of people talking about, like what if they had like ball bearings or something in it? So it had the weight. So that's where I thought you were going with it, yours is better, better no, it's all character driven for me I also love the.
Speaker 3:That costs like seven bucks yeah right, no, I believe that it did. Uh, and also like no, no, I do not believe that detective ch Chloe Decker ordered that foo-foo drink.
Speaker 2:Now, to be fair, he said I got your favorite and he listed all that stuff and she never confirmed that that was her favorite. He might've just decided it was, and that was the reason why she was like, fuck this shit, that is totally true.
Speaker 3:That is totally true and, based on the way he's behaving, like I was led to believe that, like he knew all this stuff, he's clearly been stalking her celestially because he knows about the fact that you know lucifer's knew the invulnerability and the power and he knows that she he's never said I love you back. Like he knows a lot about chloe and about chloe's whatever. So I I you're right, that is possible that she was like, oh, I take a black asshole, but I it actually in. Like it actually in some ways has more weight if she knocks it out of his hand and it really is her favorite drink, true, true okay, it's.
Speaker 2:I'm reminded of one of my favorite scully scenes from the x-files. The uh cigarette smoking man abducts her at one point. At some point he's just like how do you take your coffee? And is like handing her a cup of coffee and she sweeps it out of his hand unadulterated, thank you very much because she thinks he's gonna poison her or something. So anyway, I'm just thinking unadulterated, thank you very much yeah yeah, all right.
Speaker 3:Well, we have to have overthunk it enough for today, because I gotta go.
Speaker 2:Yes, next week or next time, dennis Haysbert.
Speaker 3:Yes, can't wait, can't wait, let's talk about God. Yes, all right.
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