Lightbringers: Illuminating the Deeper Meaning of the Crime-solving Devil TV Show

Lucifer 318 + 319 "Let Pinhead Sing" & "The Last Heartbreak"

• Tracie Guy-Decker & Emily Guy Birken

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“Let Pinhead Sing” & “The Last Heartbreak” make for some satisfying overthinking. Tracie and Emily delve deep into literal and figurative mirroring in the show, the sociological and evolutionary benefit of Tom Ellis’s devastated face, and the need for another character to alert the audience to the so-called romantic chemistry between Pierce (Tom Welling) and Chloe (Lauren German). 


We question the likelihood of a thousands-of-years-old man lugging a rock collection around the world, and acknowledge the fact that if the showrunners were more historically accurate with language usage, it wouldn’t be a particularly enjoyable show. 


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Speaker 1:

Tracy and Emily are smart, lovable sisters who really love Lucifer for the plot yeah, the plot which they overthink.

Speaker 2:

Here's a fun fact Emily's office is adjacent to her kitchen. In today's episode you can hear the distinct sounds of a dishwasher being unloaded in the background. But stick with us, it's worth it. Hi there, I am here with my sister, tracy Guy Decker, and she does use a hyphen, and I am here with my sister, emily Guy Birkin, does not use a hyphen. I do not Together. We are Lightbringers where we investigate, no, we illuminate. Yeah, we illuminate. It's a thing that we did.

Speaker 2:

It's a thing that we do because we're Lightbringers, we illuminate the deeper meaning of the crime-solving devil TV show, where if you're crime-solving, you're investigating. Hence my confusion and need for more coffee. And yes, we're overthinking it if you could tell, always overthinking it, always overthinking it.

Speaker 2:

And so today we're going to be overthinking episodes 3, 17 and 3, 18. Let Pinhead Sing and the Last Heartbreak. That's correct, the Last Heartbreak. Yes, so these are interesting episodes. It's funny. My spouse came in while I was watching Let Pinhead Sing and like in the middle I was like, wow, lucifer is kind of a jerk in this one. And I was like, yeah, lucifer is kind of a jerk, I actually. So I had a similar thing where my spouse happened to come in during the duet. I will survive. I will survive duet between Azara and Lucifer and he's not a fan of this show, but he's just like that's well done, like I love the, like where's it? Well, don't go. Like he's like you're in danger and like singing until he gets into it. And I was just like I know, yeah.

Speaker 1:

The show was really well done.

Speaker 2:

The showrunners really lucked out with their casting. That Ellis is also a vocal talent. Oh my goodness, he's phenomenally talented.

Speaker 2:

He's so great, he's so great, yeah, so let's talk about Let Pinhead Sing. There's when I am overthinking it, which is what we do. So the sort of surface level of what's happening is that Lucifer has realized that he may be putting Chloe in danger by loving her, basically because if dad is angry like dad, the God might take Chloe away by killing her in some way, like the bomb in the infernal guinea pig episode, and so Lucifer is trying to divert his attention so that he can trick God into thinking that he doesn't care about Chloe, which just even on the surface level doesn't really work. Yeah, that does not. It just doesn't. It doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 2:

Even within the universe of Lucifer we have seen that the Celestials know that they can, like reach one another by praying. I mean maybe that that needs to be intentional before the other Celestial can read their mind. But still, like God's different from the angels, like there's the whole omniscience thing and Lucifer has said repeatedly you know all powerful, like yeah, yeah, it just doesn't like. The whole premise of why Lucifer is behaving that way Just doesn't make sense. Though Azaria says Azara, excuse me. Azara says to Lucifer why are you trying to convince yourself you don't like her? And Lucifer says I'm not trying to convince myself, but actually maybe that is a more believable premise that he thought maybe he could actually make himself stop liking her or stop loving her so that it wouldn't be just trying to trick God but actually be true. But either way, it was kind of a weak premise for the way that he behaved.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, I thought so.

Speaker 2:

Anyway, that was, that was my main kind of storytelling critique of that pinhead saying In some ways it felt like there was a bit of a they're forcing the parallels because with the case of the week it's Cici, the assistant is trying to keep Azara safe by turning the spotlight elsewhere, sort of by scaring her out of the spotlight. Scaring her out of the spotlight, yeah, so that like there's that clear parallel, like you know, like that's even what Linda says is like you're in the spotlight and he's like I can't get out of the spotlight but I can get her out of the spotlight. Right, and even the compassion that when catching the killer, when Lucifer tackles Cici and Cici says I was just trying to protect her, lucifer has a lot of compassion and says I know, you know, so you're right. I mean there always is, there always is a parallel with the case of the week. I think what you're saying is that they were pushing harder on it and it kind of made it that you didn't have the structural integrity necessary to push so hard.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, Based on the universe that they had created of how God works. Yeah, Although there is something to be said, and some of this I am, I think, forgiving of things that Lucifer character because of how well Tom Ellis plays him. But there is something to Lucifer being sort of person creature who sticks his fingers in his ears and goes la la, la, la, la, la, la la la la la la, la, la, la, la la.

Speaker 2:

For sure that's in character, yes, and so that is a little bit of what's going on. I can almost see him being like he's lit on this and he also is like kind of shiny new toy when it comes to ideas and things like that. And he's lit on this like, oh, this will work.

Speaker 2:

So he definitely has like like with the high school poppycock. He like needed that book chapter to figure out his problem. So he definitely does kind of fixate on a specific idea. So yeah, I mean that is that is an in keeping with the character development that we've seen of Lucifer.

Speaker 2:

So, I do want to say him like, trying to show his affection for other people to varying degrees is actually really like it's it touches. Like. So with Ella, he finds the perfect shirt for her. She's wearing it later in the show. She like, yeah, she loves it. Well, I mean style, like, even like, yeah, the like what is it called? The baseball with the blue slaves? Yeah, yeah, so like he got it in one. Then Bob, the security guard, whose name you can't remember, but when he says like he's my new favorite person, and Bob is like oh, yeah, and even later when they, when they come to the penthouse and as far as and Bob just looks at him and now it's really cute. And again, some of that is like the actor playing Bob Didn't I show he did, he did Like cause some of what was so endearing about him going like oh was because he was so like immovable, he was in, yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2:

That's for Robert, no, so, so, yeah, I really do Like there's something to that too, in that Lucifer has such charm that he is able to kind of like have people feel convinced, like oh, I am special to him even though I just met him. Yeah, two more things that I want to share. And then I want you had something about mirroring that I'd like to make sure we get for the episode. So one is like the when they're in the penthouse and Azara says is this thing a prop or is it really working? He says Mozart, liberace, elton, I taught them all and I was like, huh, that okay, because we also I mean, we also have seen him we in the very beginning like there are no pianos in hell, right? So he's like delighted. No, it's not the very beginning, sorry, it's the, the, the the throwback episode yeah, city of Angels.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, where, where we learned there are no pianos in hell. And it was just, I mean, they throw all these things in now and then just as like, a little like reminder that he's been around for a long time, but it was those three was a curious. It just felt curious to me that those were the three that he threw out. So, anyway, that kind of stuck. And then the last thing I wanted to say is actually the last thing in that episode, when after he's sort of sat and stewed watching Pierce and Chloe kind of flirt and leave for the concert, and then he goes to Linda and says I'm afraid I've made a terrible mistake.

Speaker 2:

I know this is my social conditioning, but that devastated face that Ellis gives us, I know, oh, my heart just wants to take care of him, I know, and I like I really do think it's it's, it's a little bit the pathos of the story, but it's mainly Ellis's delivery. He just he, he, he's, he's. So he has so much control over his face that he gave me the precise facial expression that just helped me into a puddle that wanted to take care of him. So I just wanted to like name that out loud.

Speaker 1:

So my goodness yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yours if you felt that way you're not alone. Yeah Well, I mean, I think you and I've discussed about how I'm not proud of this, but my favorite Lucifer is devastated. Yeah yeah, there's something about not really, it's just that that's when I feel most like close to the character. Yeah, there's like a compulsion to to somehow try and comfort, yeah, which I feel certain is social conditioning. I don't think that that is like a, you know, genetic impulse, although maybe there is a little bit.

Speaker 2:

I I imagine there is some like evolutionary probably an evolutionary benefit to having people have that kind of compassion. Yeah, because then the species survives when bad shit happens. But it is strong, oh, it is, it's very strong with Ellis, yeah. So so I mentioned before we started recording that on this rewatch I noticed something that I think was intentional on the on the parts of the show runners, which is there's a whole lot of mirroring in this episode. So it starts off with Azara and her backup dancer switching, so they were kind of mirrors of each other, and then the Azara and Lucifer are kind of a mirror of each other, like the reason why he is so frustrated by hers because she's him.

Speaker 1:

Just like him yeah.

Speaker 2:

She's just like him. And then there's the mirroring between Lucifer and CeCe and they are doing not the same, because while what he is doing is putting other people in danger, in his own head, like, and then there's something kind of not okay about that, like, oh so you're okay with Ella getting hurt, but you're not okay with Chloe. That's not okay. But he's never actually hurting anyone. He's not and he's not directly causing anyone's injury.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so there's that mirroring. Well, what I find interesting is in the very first scene, when you're seeing the, the concert, azara's like logo over top of the stage is her name, and then there's like a mirror image of it underneath of it, like it's reflected in a pool, and I was just like hey, that was intentional, nice job, and I like did not notice it until this was my third or fourth watch through, yeah, and so I just I thought that was really, really interesting and you know, that's the sort of thing I can remember writing papers on back in the day and I was also paying a little more attention to the ways in which Azara and Lucifer are similar, because I remember the first couple of times watching this I didn't really.

Speaker 2:

I love Sky Towns and the actress who plays Azara. I think she does a fantastic job and like those are her actual, those are her original songs. Oh, wow, she sings as Azara, yeah, cool. That was that I thought was really cool. But I did not particularly like Azara as a person the first couple of times through and then this time through, I was like why did I feel that way? Like she does seem to have some expectations and demands that seem a little outlandish, but she is like she seems like a genuine and passionate and interesting and compelling and charming person in much like Lucifer, yeah. So, and some of it I think is is we are kind of led to dislike her by the writing a little bit, but I think some of it is also like some internalized misogyny and some misogynoir, probably.

Speaker 2:

Yeah probably it's hard to avoid. And also like I think you're right, the writing because of the former backup singer who does the drag show as Azara, and and his partner definitely like give you a, you know, just talk about a mirror right, like he mirrors back then the negative pieces of the diva persona that she has put on and wears as she moves through the world. So I think that definitely. And then also, as like a first time viewer, the scene where she's trying to have sex with Lucifer, like it's jarring, because as a viewer you're like no, chloe, you know, but actually within the confines of the show, I mean, he's, he, he's.

Speaker 2:

He could just as easily have been like oh, cool, perk, sure thing. Yeah, you know, like didn't know this bodyguard and then gig came with benefits. You know, like he could just as easily have said something like that and it would have been in keeping with the character because he resists or something. I think that also is a kind of a massage massage like trope right Of the hypersexualized black woman. Yes, so that kind of like feeds into that a little bit. Now, they didn't. I don't think the showrunners like did that on purpose.

Speaker 1:

That wasn't intentional.

Speaker 2:

And I don't think that actually they leaned on it too hard, because when it's clear, when it becomes clear to her that he's not interested.

Speaker 2:

And that he's upset, like she has the same reaction we do. She wants to comfort him, so I think that that softens it a bit, but I understand why. Sort of a surface view was kind of like I'm not sure how I feel about her. Yeah, well, and what struck me this time through is how compassionate she seems to be throughout. Yeah, because her immediate reaction when the backup dancer is like she comes running, she's the only one who runs out to the prone body To Jill yeah.

Speaker 2:

And is calling someone please get some help. And then when she gives advice to Lucifer, it's good advice. So, yes, she like distracts him so she can go down and get her fill of being in the spotlight, and that's something. She just goes to the nightclub downstairs. Yeah, exactly so. And it's also like we are programmed to be uncomfortable with women who seek the spotlight. Yeah, that's part of our culture, mm. Hmm, she has to be beautiful, but not know. She's beautiful Exactly, exactly. And so like, oh, oh me, no, no, no, I couldn't possibly sing All right, right, belted out, whereas, like, she's phenomenally talented.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, give me the mic yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

She actually says that Give me the microphone, yeah, and like that interaction is funny, but also like in some ways kind of priming us to be like what a diva. But I'm like why is that a bad thing, mm? Hmm, you know. And then her reaction to Cece is compelling as well.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

She is compassionate to Cece. She is very compassionate to Cece and also like horrified, you know, like how could you do this? Like. And also when Cece is like when were you gonna give this up? And she's like I'm never gonna give up singing, and Cece is like not even for me, like how do you not know this about me by now? And like it's devastating thing for Cece to hear, but she doesn't say it in any way that's other than just factual and Right. It's not insulting at all and in fact it's delivered with kind of a Kindness I mean Kind tone at least. Yeah, yeah, that exchange is interesting because Cece says how can you not know by now that I love you? And then Azara says how can you not know by now that this is who?

Speaker 1:

I am. This is who I am. Yeah, it was another mirror.

Speaker 2:

Another mirror? Yeah, exactly Of how can you not Of the language, the language itself. And actually, speaking of mirrors, I didn't think of this until you said it, but at the end of that episode well, almost the end when Pierce and Amenadiel are watching, pierce sees a mirror of himself in Lucifer Right. When Amenadiel says if my brother, the devil, can have that, and then Pierce says maybe I can have it too, like I feel like there's a mirroring there as well.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Well, and it's a similar to the mirror of Lucifer and Cece, in that it's a dark mirror because Cain's not saying like maybe I could also have someone who cares about me, and no, he's saying maybe I could have Chloe, yeah, maybe I could have Chloe too, Mm-hmm yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and that like it's a very manipulative, like no, he's a completely Machiavellian character. Yeah, who cannot sing? I mean, I cannot sing, but I can do better than his dust in the wind. It sounded like he had a frog in his throat, I know, I don't know what that was about. I think the whole idea of mirroring throughout is really interesting in how that's handled. That maybe can segue us into the next episode where there's a copycat which is a form of kind of mirror, but also not so in my memory.

Speaker 2:

I really liked this episode because I liked the way they said like Lucifer up is the jilted lover on the radio show, but in rewatch I did not enjoy it as much as I did in my memory, which is interesting, Interesting, yeah, what didn't you like about it?

Speaker 2:

I think, because in the rewatch like I'm really feeling how manipulative Pierce is and so Chloe's confusion, attraction, whatever is genuine but Pierce's isn't, and that just feels really yucky. And also I think I don't know, there's something about the pathos of Lucifer in this episode, like realizing in this episode talking about mirrors, that you don't get to decide who somebody wants to be with, but also like she does wanna be with him, right, like when he comes to apologize she's like you wanna stay on my coffee, like she does wanna be with him, and we've talked you and I have talked about why he feels that that is unfair to her, that she can't actually authentically give consent, and also it just is a frustrating episode, like it's just unrequited. And yet it's not even unrequited, it's required. But frustrated affection. Well, and that's speaking of mirrors. That's true also with Pierce and Kay in 1958. Yep, because he does like her, which you can feel when he comes into the bar and sees her granddaughter.

Speaker 2:

And he's so excited and so like some of that excitement I think could be like, oh my goodness, there's someone else who's like me. But some of it is also like it's not just anyone else, it's this person. He really did like her because he did lower his defenses a bit in the 50s.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

So there is that like frustrated affection that is requited but just, you know, choosing not to for whatever reason.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

It doesn't make me wonder, like if Pierce is, 1958 is only 60 years ago, so if he's gotten worse. But like why wouldn't he have, I mean, over thousands of years, why would the last 60 be Be so? Yeah, just because he seems like a diligent police officer as of then he did care about solving that crime.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, but you know now he's a crime boss.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, he's a crime boss who just kind of uses. So I mean, and it might just be like well, this is what I do now, you know yeah. And then the, the. The way he felt about K seems a lot more genuine than what he feels about Chloe.

Speaker 1:

Agreed.

Speaker 2:

So one thought I had is like, don't all these people feel like toddlers to him? Right, yeah, I have that sense, like when I see, like a college student these days, I'm just like you're a fetus, right, right, yeah, so little, but you're a fetus, or just yeah, yeah, like, and I always have that problem with any kind of supernatural story where there's an immortal who falls in love with a normal human. I'm just like, how is that?

Speaker 2:

I mean, at least Chloe is a full grown adult, you know like the ones that like the vampires, where, like the, the two thousand year old vampire falls in love with a 16 year old, like now.

Speaker 1:

That's just, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2:

That's pedophilia, yeah, but yeah, the the fact that's like he has so much more life experience than anyone. He talks to it just and you know, ok, that kind of speaks to why he is feels comfortable manipulating and is OK, like you know, just recognizing like they're going to be gone, like that anyway. So yeah, so I mean that's kind of like the essence of narcissism, like I'm the only real person here, because everyone else is just in the wind. All they are is dust in the wind. Yeah.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

I mean, but it's. It's understandable that he is the way he is, but it's maybe.

Speaker 2:

I haven't been that way? He wouldn't be that way. So I have one like little like picky question about this episode, and then I, and then I want to talk about a Menaceal and Charlotte. So my picky thing is they find the strong boy with the video taping out front of the address and they realize that that must be how the killer is getting the address. It's not actually someone from the radio show, but they interrupted him before he did anything. No, no, no, no, no, it's, he's filming the backup. But he also uploads film of the radio show without things bleeped. Oh, ok, I thought he went to see. Ok, ok, ok, so he's doing both. But yeah, that's how the the killer had the address. Yes, yes, I thought that he did the like when the partner confronts them on edited. But OK, all right, I'm with you now, never mind. So thank you for answering my picky question.

Speaker 2:

And and let's talk about a Menaceal and Charlotte. I guess that I think it spans the two episodes, right, it's not, or maybe it's all in the one. But a Menaceal sees Charlotte and thinks that she's still the goddess and like, says a bunch of stuff, and Charlotte's like, oh, do I know you? Yeah, and then Linda tells him like leave her alone because it's too much. But we we? The close of that story arc is they sit down to coffee with a Menaceal saying I have so much to tell you. So I'm like, hmm well, this is the test of Menaceal.

Speaker 2:

Like many deals like convinced that there's a test. Menaceal, there's a test. Yeah, yeah, I would say like geez, lucifer, can you give your brother a little heads up? By the way, charlotte returns to soul life. Yeah, so, like you know, the the most recent incarnation of our mom you might see her around Los Angeles. It's not mom anymore, but that's not mom, so don't be weird. So yeah, it's, it's a. That's a good point. Like you'd think that, since he's got his eye out although that is that is another in character in keeping with a Menaceal is he has such sibling rivalry with his brother that he always assumes that's where the test is going to be. That's true, like it's, it's. He's got that blind spot where, like you know, like well, it's got to be Lucifer.

Speaker 1:

Got to be Lucifer, because he's the pain in my ass, yeah.

Speaker 2:

And then there's also the like, the very real grief of not having been able to say goodbye to his mother.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

I think that there's it's well within character for him to not tread cautiously. True, I don't think that Linda gives him bad advice, like, she's absolutely right. Charlotte is fragile. This could be really damaging to her. At the same time, her fragility comes from the fact that she doesn't know what happened to her. Doesn't know what happened to her and has had interaction with the celestial world and and cannot process it because she doesn't understand it. So, you know, in some ways this would be a like a valid Slinging yeah, yeah, this is, she's not, she's not crazy, yeah, which is all she wants to know. So I can understand both why, why Menaceal, like just you know, you know verbal diarrhea when he saw her, and then also why he is going against Linda's advice. And he also saw Charlotte's reaction, which Linda did not, right, I? I know Linda is supposed to be an amazing therapist and I like I'm willing to go with the show on that, but her being distracted during that was unacceptable.

Speaker 2:

It's not not acceptable. And then her accepting help from her client that way, not OK.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

So, like for anyone watching who doesn't know that is not how therapy works. Yeah, not acceptable, not acceptable. I think I would break up with this rank. Who was like doodling, doodling, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's yes. And it's not like the like after Lucifer reveals his face to Linda and she's like she's finally letting him back in and she's like what about Hitler? You know that distraction is different.

Speaker 1:

It makes a different sense.

Speaker 2:

This is like completely unrelated. It's yeah and it's no. It's it's. It's unacceptable, it's yeah.

Speaker 1:

I agree.

Speaker 2:

But let's talk about that Dynamic like it's I don't know if I believe it the Maze would be so inconsolable about not just her best friend, but kind of her only friend. As I try to see aside from Trixie, who, she, she also had a family. Yeah, not on purpose, yeah, but still I mean, I know that sort of self-destructive is in Maze's nature, but I don't know it doesn't.

Speaker 1:

So there's a.

Speaker 2:

I read the AV Club review of these two episodes. I really like them. It's a Latoya Ferguson is the reviewer who does them, and one of the things she talks about is how, prior to May's meeting Trixie and Linda, her only friend was Lucifer and that's not a normal human relationship or friendship and they have this dynamic where, like, they can pummel on each other, like literally physically, and so one of the things that Ferguson pointed out is that she knows she can't do that to Linda, but she's found another way, so she's emotionally pummeling Linda and I'm like, ok, yeah, that I appreciated that description of it because it's kind of contextualizes what's going on with May's and that it's a pattern that she has which, yes, she's always self destructive, but also that she, when she gets into whatever this pattern is, she just keeps going.

Speaker 2:

Like exhaustion, yeah, that's what we saw with when they fought. Yes, well, and even early on in like the first season, before she met Trixie and Linda, there would be times where she would beat Lucifer Intentionally and like there's there's one point where he gets like really angry at her and she's like there he is. That's what I'm looking for. And so some of this is also the fact that Linda will not fight back, so like she doesn't know how to. I mean, as a demon, you know, among thousands, she doesn't know how to interact with someone who won't punch back. And while Linda does punch back in this episode she does, but it's still comparatively yeah, because I'm still to say I did all that because that's how important you are to me.

Speaker 2:

Yes, yeah, whereas I think that May's kind of needs her to be like you're nothing, bitch, and blah, blah, blah, blah, and then she'd feel better. But because Linda is just like look, I did this for you and you're making me really upset and angry and like and it just I just mays just cannot. Mays just cannot cope with maturely handling negative emotions, so she keeps spiraling and spiraling and spiraling. I think that that's actually I like that that that, actually that full explanation and context.

Speaker 2:

I buy that. Yeah, yeah, I buy that because and this is I mean this is a hard season to watch of what Mays does yeah, for Mays fans, yeah, yeah. But I think it fits with the character, and particularly once, once I read the reviewer's review that was like, oh yeah, that really does fit for who Mays is.

Speaker 2:

And then realizing how badly she screwed up after Trixie runs with crying Right and that'll just cause more spiraling shame. Yeah, yeah, and that's in some ways it's going to be kind of like I thought I hit rock bottom, but they're still lower and that that's. I can't watch that scene, like when, when Trixie, you see her face and she runs away, god, it just Like it's. It's so hard because I put myself in Trixie's position, thinking about like as a kid and some adult, you, I the grown up that you idolize.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right. Well, we have over a thing quite a bit, quite a bit. Do you have some fluff that you want to share? Goodness, let's see the fluff. When Ella is trying to cheer up Pierce and she took the compliment box around, every single everybody says he has nice arms. That's all we have to say about Tom Welling. Yeah, that is, you have nice arms. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm worried we're not going to be able to top last week, a week before us, yeah, right, right. So my fluff is that I remain unconvinced that there is any chemistry between Lauren German and Tom Welling.

Speaker 2:

But that's like they have. They have Ella be the like. Ella is the Greek chorus. To be like they bone, she's totally the Greek chorus. Yeah, ella is totally the Greek course, because without that character saying like, wow, it's like flaming hot in there, yeah, we wouldn't see it at all Nothing. So I just want to say, like kudos to our show runners who recognize that there was a problem and they solved it. Solved it. We got these two wooden actors who are supposed to be like trying to repress, being hot for each other. Yeah, let's bring Amy Gardner. See, I am, and thank you for your service, amy, I do love the like. Lucifer's response is like the detective does not bone. Like are you imagining she only makes sweet love? I was actually waiting for her to say something like that. She makes love. Yeah, yeah, yeah, not with him, yeah.

Speaker 2:

There's more chemistry between them. I feel like Pearson, kay, agreed, yeah, and like what's going? I mean, why is that? Because there's chemistry between Lucifer and Chloe, definitely, definitely. I don't know if it's well, or, you know, it could be the Joey from Friends rule where, like, if two actors have chemistry on stage that's because they haven't done it, but if they don't have chemistry on stage it's because they're totally doing it. Oh so, maybe not that I want to like cast dispersions on learn German and Tom Welling, but no, I don't think that's it, that's probably not it. But I just, I was, I appreciated that, well, and Joey proved it by saying have I had chemistry with any actress I've been on stage with? No See, there you go. Oh.

Speaker 2:

So my last piece of fluff is actually quite dense, which is I have a hard time believing that Cain is lugging rocks around the world for thousands of years. I mean the thing about like there they stay the same and they're reliable, like okay, that's, I guess. I guess that's in keeping with a 5,000 year old man, but he moves all the time. He's not like packing up all the time. Well, I mean, maybe he just keeps a collection of rocks, like he's got storage in every city. I don't know Cause this can't be his entire collection either. The other thing that, like I'm really overthinking in here, but they have one of the rocks was like a, like a giant, like Nautilus fossil, which the creationist story and fossils, and they're both, like they're often presented as binary. Well, I mean they, well, I think.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I created.

Speaker 2:

Earth with the fossils in it. Yeah, so they're God's Easter eggs. Cain, has you crack it open? There's chocolate inside and it's just on us that we've never tried that. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, that that I like. I was like, oh interesting, they put a fossil in his rock collection and I also I honestly found it interesting that he lived in a very well maintained mid-century modern house which would have been new in 1958. Yeah, and I'm like, thousands upon thousands of years, that's really the, the style I mean like, and also, you know, I know, real estate is what it is so like, what's what's available when you're.

Speaker 2:

He also said I want, I like it for the view. So, yeah, that's true, but it's furnished in mid-century modern style as well, like that's. The thing that got me is like it's not the eclectic range of all kinds of weird furniture you'd have if you'd live for 5000 years and lug rocks around. I liked it. I mean, I very much like mid-century modern aesthetic. It's a gorgeous house and gorgeous set piece, but it was just like thousands of years. Also, does he speak? Like? Does he speak every language? I mean, he must speak many, right? I think we're not supposed to think too much about the languages in this show. Like I think if you start thinking too much about the language that they use, like it falls apart. Like there's no way that a men-a-deal would call him Lucy, you know. Like it would be Sammy. Yeah, he was going to shorten his name. Yeah, you know, and I know he doesn't go by that name anymore.

Speaker 2:

But still that's the name he knew him as, and he didn't become Lucifer until after he fell Right, I just yeah, but they all call him Lucifer the goddess when she came back into Charlotte's body. Lucifer, I must find Lucifer no.

Speaker 1:

Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, she the point. Yeah, but it wouldn't be a fun TV show for 21st century Americans if they were like speaking person's shit or Sumerian or whatever proto-Semitic language. This wouldn't be fun. Yeah, yeah, very true, very true. All right, we have way overthought it. Oh, my goodness, I really think that we have over thunkin' enough for one Lightbringers episode, all right. Well, I'm going to go find a Nautilus shell and see if there's chocolate inside. Let me know how it works out. I'll let you know how it works out. See you next week. See you next week.

Speaker 1:

All right, thanks for watching.